/p Blood Price used, WHMs do not use Holy for 15 seconds <se.1>

[ViDare]

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every whm should just convert to AST, cards and gravity spam! wooo!

kidding

[Iagainsti]

Love that someone posted "git gud" in response to warrior macros being obnoxious as hell. With the right skillspeed you're only losing 1 gcd to pacification. Instead of crying to your healer to babysit you because you're scared you'll lose aggro, how about *YOU* "git gud"?

Warrior Main here< I have never had a chat macro for Pacification. By the time they read it, stop doing damage to esuna me, I might have 1 second left. Waste of time and a hotbar slot. Real Warriors save either Mercy Stroke or Brutal Swing while they wait for 3 secs XD

[LlamaOfLag]

Here's an idea, instead of activating BP and wasting while the mobs are stunned you drop grit and activate Blood weapon, you're free to dps to your hearts content and get MP back while doing it. it simple enough that afterwards you just reactivate grit and use BP to continue your damage and any good white mage will be activating shroud to drop the hate they've just created and get back their MP.

you all are so quick to say whm should wait but instead learn to adapt geez

Okay so by that its completely fine for MCH to use Blank(something im completely fine with as i can adapt) but yet everyone bitches about that.
Edit for spelling small phone big hands op

[LlamaOfLag]

Pacification is 5 seconda and macros can be combined to have the skill and message in one. That being said i do have a berserk macro that says Pacification in 20 seconds prepare accordingly. Im not afraid ill lose aggro one unchained berserk enmity rotation and i can switch to dps stance for the rest of the fight usually but if my healers do see that, they can esuna me, and i can keep doing damage or if youre a smart dps and you see youre about to take aggro(unlikely unless im in the middle of new content and im undergeared to hell compared to the dps) or adds spawn just as i get pacified it lets people know to either ignore adds a few seconds or expect to get hit some. But then again theres less than 5% smart dps in this game it seems. Kudos to the actual good ones there that arent super tryhards and actually listen. On that note why must 90% of dps wait until the LB will one shot the boss to use it. Such a waste.
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[ViDare]

Okay so by that its completely fine for MCH to use Blank(something im comlletely fine with as i can adapt) but yet everyone bitches about that.

what in the world does this have to do with anything? if you're fine with it youre fine with it good on you for being a tank who doesnt mind, granted it's not as annoying as fluid auro since the mob isnt bound so they gradually move back into place so i dont see why other tanks would complain as long as you dont hit the mob the tank is targetting

[IndigoHawk]

Haha! Some tanks have seriously become so entitled that now a healer who dpses with a stun that prevents incoming damage is considered bad. Before people used to be happy if healers did any dps. Now these special tanks want healers to adapt rotations to them.

This is why tanks should never have been changed to focus on dps. They care only about themselves and want everyone to play a support role for their dps.

Be happy the healer is doing any dps.

[Syzygian]

Haha! Some tanks have seriously become so entitled that now a healer who dpses with a stun that prevents incoming damage is considered bad. Before people used to be happy if healers did any dps. Now these special tanks want healers to adapt rotations to them.

This is why tanks should never have been changed to focus on dps. They care only about themselves and want everyone to play a support role for their dps.

Be happy the healer is doing any dps.

DRKs are making the same concession for you by waiting for you to stop holying before they can partake in a proper AoE DPS and threat burst and oh yeah, the main resource management mechanic of the job. I don't have to make that concession for a SCH, for instance, and yet they generally kill stuff faster.

Why is the onus of sacrifice on me for your job's mechanic but not ever the other way around? If I'm asked, I'll always make concessions, but otherwise, I'm going to play my job as it was intended (particularly in piddly content like dungeons), which is big pulls, high AoE DPS and self heals, resource management, and epic threat gen. I have to play my entire job sub-optimally by waiting for you to get done holying, or waiting for you to start holying at all (how do I know you even intend to DPS at all? This is the DF after all). Considering how many WHMs in the DF never even touch Holy, I surmise that the sacrifice you'd make would not be quite so jarring.

I lurk on the healer forums quite a bit, I never see tanks pop in there and speak with such gobsmacking condescension towards healers. As a tank that otherwise goes out of his way to make concessions for his healers and encourages fellow tanks to do the same, this thread in which a tanking job is getting lambasted for asking a TINY (10-15 seconds tiny) concession in return is seriously depressing.

[Semirhage]

Here's the thing. I go into every DF group fully expecting a group of drooling, useless morons and hope to be pleasantly surprised. I'd also fully expect a decent tank to do the same.

I love Holy bombing a trash pack, and will gladly go all out once Blood Price is gone. If BP is already active, I still have Aero 3, Assize, Aero 2, and Stone 3 spamming, plus the remaining countdown on BP to prep another solid HoT strategy on the tank before mashing the Holy button. I assume that, if the tank is good, they'll see my strategy and adjust their BP usage accordingly. If they're having aggro problems because they refuse to adjust their rotation to fit with mine, I'd rather restrain my DPS combo to 50-80% of its potential and finish the dungeon up without incident than go all out.

I will however refuse to compromise on the first trash pack in the last room of Fractal. That set of dolls was designed for my damage fantasies, and you can regen your tank mana on the run to the trampoline.

[Imoen]

LOL I don't know how many times I have to say it in this thread.... I'm personally not asking healers to wait to cast holy , I'm asking them to be aware of the damn bar they are already staring at to begin with...

IF key word here "IF" a DRK is having problems with MP.... don't go out of your way to make it miserable for them... it really is quite that simple. I don't know why everyone else assumes that no one else has played the other jobs it really is quite simple to watch the information that is right there in front of your face, and make an informed choice on all things healer or not... like if you should lay off DPS or lay off on HOLY or slow down pulls etc...

The mp bar is right next to the hp bar on the party list and guess what is next to that? the buffs! amazing right!? (Yes I know some of them get cut off)

I don't know - Maybe watching the things you are already watching and making informed critical decisions based on party composition, player skill level etc... on the fly is too much to ask. LOL yet people ask for random fights... right.. its clear people want to fall into habitual habits and not think and make on the fly decisions.

Oh and by the way, half the whms I run into on DF don't know how to holy bomb worth a damn, stun resists and they keep on keeping on until I die more often than not. There has only been a few WHMs I have run into ever that can actually handle DPS + Healing. Usually it is one or the other, either all the do is heal, or all they do is DPS and derp sorry wasn't paying attention to your health. RARELY do both well.

The ones I have run into that can do this well, props to you guys.

[DreamWeaver]

Who exactly are you addressing here?

Obviously not to you if what I wrote sounds like "bunch of bitter text" to you.

I am addressing people like Imoen etc that states, see BP? Don't holy.
I just state that WHMs have to prepare before a Holy Bomb, if you pop your BP before I done my preparation, then its fine I can hold it off, otherwise I will not be able to do anything else once your BP finishes.

P/S: Please work on your reading comprehension, in my previous post I stated "With proper timing, Holy will land the moment everything is gathered", and then you went off a tangent stating "derrrp now there's a stray add being stun locked away from the pack".