Reclamation of Inactive Housing announced

[Voltyblast]

This system was clearly created for the purpose of forcing players to remain subscribed for months on end, and I guarantee that this will be followed by long content draughts. Want to quit while you wait 6 months for a patch? Better not, or else you'll lose your house!

Eeeyup....sounds like I'll have to resub before 3.1 then: I don't want to lose my small plot (for me that much gil is a lot, since I don't craft) even if I was going to take a break for a longer time, playing other games and such.

"Sigh" At least I only have to get online once a day max.

[Youkulm]

Eeeyup....sounds like I'll have to resub before 3.1 then: I don't want to lose my small plot (for me that much gil is a lot, since I don't craft) even if I was going to take a break for a longer time, playing other games and such.

"Sigh" At least I only have to get online once a day max.

Not even. Every 45 days. Sub every other month and log in once that month, that is literally all you have to do if that little amount of gil means that much to you ( even though you're not playing ).

This is a business model. Of course they want people to stay subbed. Why is everyone so shocked by this?

I think they're being more than generous by giving back people 80% of the purchase price and the reclaimable items. Frankly I suspected they would give back nothing since it would be a convenient gil sink for them.

45 or 90 days depending on what thread your reading

2. The current notes do not cover a player going into their house and logging out as a way to place hold being there. What happens if a player does this?

4. No definition for "Access" of house.

There is an official post in the news on the lodestone, It's 45 days.

2. Inside of housing is an instance. You're removed the second you log off.

4. Pretty sure they just mean walking into the interior of the house. I don't see a problem here. It's the only decent way to keep track ( in my opinion ) because if you log off inside/outside the house you will load outside the door. Teleporting to the house usually means you're not already at the house. If you're already there.. just walk on in.

As for selling private rooms, Private rooms are not the reason people want housing. It's mostly for stables, gardening, workbenches, NPCs, workshop, and FC community. There are copious amounts of FCs without housing BECAUSE OF personal housing. It should have never been a thing.

We should have had instanced inn rooms we could decorate and garden in.. like mog houses FFXI. The wards should have been left to the FCs. Sorry personal housing owners.

[Voltyblast]

This is a business model. Of course they want people to stay subbed. Why is everyone so shocked by this?

Because there are better ways to do it?

Wildstar does it right.

SWTOR does it right.

LOTRO (apparently, never played it) does it right.

I think also Aion does it right, with personal flats.

And I believe also Rift does it right.

This game doesn't? And because of technical issues?

So yes, call me shocked by this considering this isn't a cheaply (?) made MMORPG. Also, I thought they didn't want to implement such system because people were enraged, were they not?

[Lexia]

Because there are better ways to do it?

Wildstar does it right.

SWTOR does it right.

LOTRO (apparently, never played it) does it right.

This game doesn't? And because of technical issues?

So yes, call me shocked by this considering this isn't a cheaply (?) made mmo.

Well 2.0 was built on top of a already broken game. So it was not redone from scratch it was just improved.

[CGMidlander]

Because there are better ways to do it?

Wildstar does it right.

SWTOR does it right.

LOTRO (apparently, never played it) does it right.

I think also Aion does it right, with personal flats.

And I believe also Rift does it right.

This game doesn't? And because of technical issues?

So yes, call me shocked by this considering this isn't a cheaply (?) made MMORPG. Also, I thought they didn't want to implement such system because people were enraged, were they not?

Individual house instances aren't the same as community instances.
All of those listed games have the former, not the latter.

[Voltyblast]

Individual house instances aren't the same as community instances.
All of those listed games have the former, not the latter.

And so? They are houses. They give free (for the most part?) houses to players, which is what people want. Are you really that picky?

Infact, JUST BECAUSE these are individual houses (and not instanced ones), we have this problem of limited quantity: can you see what they have to do now for giving us plots? They have to reclaim those unused ones, because there's not enough for those who want it. They could always improve this system but instead they chose the worst possible decision, a decision that was initially revoked because people didn't want it. But I suppose people forgot it, so they tried again without telling anyone. Like those anti-piracy acts.

This is so wrong on so many levels...but so ingenious too: they took this problem at their advantage to make us house owners at least pay once in a while our sub. I would've let it go if it was, say, 3 months of inactivity (Being generous here: I'd give even more), because I doubt someone would come back that soon and when he does, he'll probably have a lot to catch up. But this way? Nope, you'll most likely have to at least pay once in a short while just to keep it up. Hat tip for that, Square Enix.

And also: yes I know this game was built up from a broken game...and as far as I'm concerned, we are into their first expansion and, SO FAR, nothing is really expanded. Big, open spaces with nothing to do and the same exact carbon copy method we had in 2.0. I think that you can see the tons of threads about people complaining on the game to see the "improvements" they did.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

And so? They are houses. They give free (for the most part?) houses to players, which is what people want. Are you really that picky?

Infact, JUST BECAUSE these are individual houses that we NOW have this problem: can you see what they have to do now for giving us plots? They have to reclaim those unused ones, because there's not enough for those who want it. They could always improve this system but instead they chose the worst possible decision, a decision that was initially revoked because people didn't want it. But I suppose people forgot it, so they tried again without telling anyone. Like those anti-piracy acts.

This is so wrong on so many levels...but so ingenious too: they took this problem at their advantage to make us house owners at least pay once in a while our sub. I would've let it go if it was, say, 3 months of inactivity (Being generous here: I'd give even more), because I doubt someone would come back that soon and when he does, he'll probably have a lot to catch up. But this way? Nope, you'll most likely have to at least pay once in a short while just to keep it up. Hat tip for that, Square Enix.

And also: yes I know this game was built up from a broken game...and as far as I'm concerned, we are into their first expansion and, SO FAR, nothing is really expanded. Big, open spaces with nothing to do and the same exact carbon copy method we had in 2.0. I think that you can see the tons of threads about people complaining on the game to see the "improvements" they did.

It was expanded. They took what was there, and added more. Anyone who thought the base game would change, when they never gave that impression, was delusional.

[Voltyblast]

It was expanded. They took what was there, and added more. Anyone who thought the base game would change, when they never gave that impression, was delusional.

Yeah, we call them patches: they give us more of the same, more content, more "stuff" and more story, and the main difference is that they're free.

I'm not expecting the base game to change, but to expand into various directions: possible skill improvements, new traits, skill customization, possibility of multi role for each job just to name a few.
But so far the game plays exactly like 2 years ago: still the same weekly caps, I still use the same rotations on the same jobs I played 2 years ago (minor differences here, but my monk and warrior still use the same base attacks with no real difference), I still see the same single boss raids from 2.X (why can't they make a raid like CT raids? Those are what I call a raid, in terms of exploring and size).

You're right on this: they definitely added more of the same exact thing and if that's your idea of expansion by all means, don't let me stop you. It's definitely not mine.

[CGMidlander]

And so? They are houses. They give free (for the most part?) houses to players, which is what people want. Are you really that picky?

I'm not advocating or condemning either type of implementation . I simply stated that instanced housing and instanced communities are not the same.

[BreathlessTao]

They could always improve this system but instead they chose the worst possible decision, a decision that was initially revoked because people didn't want it. But I suppose people forgot it, so they tried again without telling anyone.

A feature that should have been implemented initially, together with the system itself, considering how severely limited the supply is. They changed their minds because they chickened out because of a few too loud voices on here - that was the worst decision they could make after deciding on going ahead with this system. And implementing it now did not happen without telling anyone, at the very least they talked about it in the latest live letter. The fact that a transcript or summary of that is not posted in a prime place, such as Lodestone main, is a fault, that's sure.

But this system itself is simply unsustainable, especially at this scale, which is something they should have foreseen (they must have at least one knowledgeable expert on the team?) and not go ahead with this system at all. Which they did, so considering housing (especially personal) as a whole, they botched it right at the beginning when they opted for this model, yes.