why are minion drops so rare?

[warren-ragnarok]

We’re planning to increase the rate in which you can obtain some of the rarer minions, so players can also use them to further enjoy Lord of Verminion in Patch 3.1.

you should either increase the rate so its far more common, or make it so you can only hit need one time on them forever. as of now, the major issue stands where people hit need on those rare minions and just put them on the MB. im not opposed to them being used as money, but when minions from a dungeon sell for over 2m because its rare to see drop, thats overkill

I lost around 85x the roll for Dark cloud Minion - Puff >_>
Now its even way more impossible to get her because that dungeon died out. Not any1 playing it anymore! >_>

not just minions, but crafting mats too. SE should really find a way to add these to some alternative method

I don't understand why something so incredibly useless is so rare. It's a collectable. I don't see why people are getting up in arms about this. We aren't talking about BiS gear here. We are talking about a little thing that follows you around and flops on the ground occasionally. Are you really gonna bitch and cry freebie over a minion vs battle equipment. We all ready have to grind for everything in the game, DoL/DoH/DoW/DoM gear, TT, Chocobo Race, Saucer tokens. Not everything needs to be a mindless, repetitive grind. It seems to me the only ones whining and crying about drop rate increase are people that have them and/or are making gil from the sale of said minions. And with easier access to them they lose income.

This right here, I agree. What I really want to know is, why people want more mindless grinding than actually challenging content?

That's why I love the achievement minions so much, it gives you an active goal you can work towards and actually see progress rather than bash your head against the wall hoping RNG blesses you today.

^^^^^THIS
while im not a huge fan of grinding anymore (for those that wonder, i played ffxi for 6 years) and tired of grinding(like atma and light when they came out) but some kind of offset to guarantee some of these "vanity" items after so many times not getting it. and unlike alot of people complaining about the "instant gratification" people, realize, unlike some of you, some of us have real lives and go outside to do stuff with people in our local area

[StouterTaru]

anyway, if nutkin becomes more expensive more people will start doing maps again, more unhidden maps will drop, more nutkins will flood the market etc.

after 3.0 release they dropped to 2m gil because there were like 20 on the market after 1 week, because everyone did dragon/wyvern maps

It's still on a time gated system, limited to people with a 40+ gatherer.

On my server, there have been less than 2 dozen uniques up for sale since HW came out, including the few up for sale from before. One guy bought about 10 of them. I'm betting many of the ones on your server were brought as collateral from server transfers.

[Mirili]

unlike some of you, some of us have real lives and go outside to do stuff with people in our local area

at first i disagreed with your points but then i read this and in a bid to assert that i do in fact have a real life as well i now back a slight increase to droprate on minions completely for the sake of us people who must do stuff with people in our local areas

[Lilith_Merquise]

Minions are a joke to get to be honest.... Just level other jobs and ride your way through them. I'm 4 60's deep and I have all 3.0 Dungeon Minions except Owlet and Book Minion... People just need to spend the time instead of wanting everything now just because you pay a subscription. Asking for this simple and more then easy system to be dumbed down further is just pathetic. And if you have so much of a "real life" that you can't do 30 minutes worth of content for a dungeon run, this game isn't for you. I have a job and female prospects I take out, and I still manage to accomplish everything I have... what is your excuse?

Also people still want challenging content, but the point of things being "collectable" is that they are rare, to make it a select few that possess the collection. That is literally the whole point of having rare in game collectables... and gives a sense of pride to those that have them unlike some people that expect to have it fed to them on a silver plate.... How is this so hard for players to understand?

Also lets gt something clear, there is no shame in having rewards that are only for those that are willing to put in the HARDCORE Time for them. In 11, there was simply rewards and battle systems you just didn't do. Whether it was your time commitment, your class, or your personal skill level. There was some stuff players just accepted wasn't for them. This is the first time I've seen an MMO where terrible players feel they should be entitled to all of the game's content and rewards. And if they can't do it as a brain dead zombie or by mashing their face on the keyboard, then it isn't fair and should be nerfed. Like sorry if you can't commit 30 minutes to a run every few days to farm your minions, then it isn't the game for you. And the fact that SE wants to catter to scrubs makes it miserable for players like me that finish that garbage in minutes....

[Colorful]

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That's the exact problem you nugget, it doesn't matter how many times you run it, you could literally never see it in 1,000 runs, let alone win a roll. If it again, achievement based it would be fine, but as is the system is entirely unfair.

[Lilith_Merquise]

That's the exact problem you nugget, it doesn't matter how many times you run it, you could literally never see it in 1,000 runs, let alone win a roll. If it again, achievement based it would be fine, but as is the system is entirely unfair.

And that is exactly the point of why it's so valued. Why it is even worth gil, is because not everybody gets it just for running the brain dead dungeon.... What point are you making? I'm sorry but just because you win a dungeon doesn't mean you should get the prize. If you're skilled you will speed run it and learn how to clear it faster and efficiently, instead of getting carried through it one time and the final chest drops everybody a Owlet. Sorry but that is stupid.

I've started running ponies, and even though I didn't get mine first drop, I didn't complain and I kept running the runs every free chance I got and now I'm 4/6, and I'm not complaining that I made runs that helped others get ponies, or that I had to run Ifrit more times then I would like to mention. But that is the point of it being rare, and feeling actually accomplished when you earn something, rather then entitled. Just getting it and logging off til there is more content...

Also I'm 4/6 after 1 Month's worth of time spent and that is playing when I had the time after work and had the time to play which wasn't every day. So this "It could take you years" is Binkie-Guild Exaggeration...

[Colorful]

And that is exactly the point of why it's so valued. Why it is even worth gil, is because not everybody gets it just for running the brain dead dungeon.... What point are you making? I'm sorry but just because you win a dungeon doesn't mean you should get the prize. If you're skilled you will speed run it and learn how to clear it faster and efficiently, instead of getting carried through it one time and the final chest drops everybody a Owlet. Sorry but that is stupid.

Stupid? I'm sorry if you don't understand the point I'm making, but your post contradicts it. You can't reliably speed run it and get a guaranteed drop, that's the problem! Why is that so difficult to understand? Are you one of the lucky few who got it in the first several runs, one of the people who profits off of them, or just someone who doesn't want others to have their candy? What would be so wrong with an achievement for running it 10+ times that guarantees the minion drop?

I've started running ponies, and even though I didn't get mine first drop, I didn't complain and I kept running the runs every free chance I got and now I'm 4/6, and I'm not complaining that I made runs that helped others get ponies, or that I had to run Ifrit more times then I would like to mention. But that is the point of it being rare, and feeling actually accomplished when you earn something, rather then entitled. Just getting it and logging off til there is more content...

And guess what? Ponies have been nerfed, twice if I recall correctly. You'd be lucky to even have 1 if it was never nerfed, you are benefiting from nerfs too.

[Lilith_Merquise]

The point is you don't have to run every dungeon run for 30-50 minutes, you can speed run it faster and more efficiently so you can run it more. You shouldn't get it just because you meet a time requirement, or because you decided to spam AoE abilities on MNK or ram your 1 key for Heavy thrust..... I get what you're saying, but I also just roll my eyes at how much players like that bother me that they think every thing they do deserves a pat on their back end.

Also this garbage of 10+ times you get the reward anyway, is the damn reason why this game is as dead as it is, why ques are disgusting, and why there is barely anyone in game. It's also most likely why there are trailers playing on Twitch and other websites again to drive the audience after it stopped for a good while. That isn't sustainable gaming, it's pandering to the we-wants while making us an unloyal playerbase that only subs when there is new content and unsubs once it's all obtained.

[zosia]

Stupid? I'm sorry if you don't understand the point I'm making, but your post contradicts it. You can't reliably speed run it and get a guaranteed drop, that's the problem! Why is that so difficult to understand? Are you one of the lucky few who got it in the first several runs, one of the people who profits off of them, or just someone who doesn't want others to have their candy? What would be so wrong with an achievement for running it 10+ times that guarantees the minion drop?



And guess what? Ponies have been nerfed, twice if I recall correctly. You'd be lucky to even have 1 if it was never nerfed, you are benefiting from nerfs too.

That's why we have a MB and gil. You don't have to run a dungeon 1000 times to get it. You can either gamble with the dungeon or spend a fixed amount of time earning gil to buy it.

[Colorful]

The point is you don't have to run every dungeon run for 30-50 minutes, you can speed run it faster and more efficiently so you can run it more. You shouldn't get it just because you meet a time requirement, or because you decided to spam AoE abilities on MNK or ram your 1 key for Heavy thrust..... I get what you're saying, but I also just roll my eyes at how much players like that bother me that they think every thing they do deserves a pat on their back end.

Then set it to 100 times done, it will truly be a rare minion with a few people going for it intentionally (or while leveling other classes). The problem with your line is thinking is that that Dragoon who was dead 90% of the time could win the minion, on his 1st run nonetheless. That's right, the least useful person could win it. If it was given out based on how much you contributed it would be fair game, but now, your line of thinking fails.