why are minion drops so rare?

[Zhexos]

We’re planning to increase the rate in which you can obtain some of the rarer minions, so players can also use them to further enjoy Lord of Verminion in Patch 3.1.

[zosia]

We’re planning to increase the rate in which you can obtain some of the rarer minions, so players can also use them to further enjoy Lord of Verminion in Patch 3.1.

well, there goes that. Were there really any minions out of reach for most players other than plushie and OST promo ones?


INC flood of all dungeon minions from heavensward, time to kick yourself for spending any gil on a minion before this change.

[Colorful]

well, there goes that. Were there really any minions out of reach for most players other than plushie and OST promo ones?


INC flood of all dungeon minions from heavensward, time to kick yourself for spending any gil on a minion before this change.

I suppose I should kick myself for spending millions of gil and hundreds of hours on the relic weapon too? They were rare for 5 months, and are going to be less rare now. That's what happens to everything in FFXIV without exception (well, there's time limited rewards but I don't believe that's the same case).

[StouterTaru]

well, there goes that. Were there really any minions out of reach for most players other than plushie and OST promo ones?

Without changes, there were a handful of 1% drop rate minions that would be cleaned out of the MB or up for sale for more than a large house. Nutkin comes to mind first, <5% chance to get a green map, then <5% chance for it to drop from that map.

[zosia]

Without changes, there were a handful of 1% drop rate minions that would be cleaned out of the MB or up for sale for more than a large house. Nutkin comes to mind first, <5% chance to get a green map, then <5% chance for it to drop from that map.

So, there should be nothing worth working for in this game?

I suppose I should kick myself for spending millions of gil and hundreds of hours on the relic weapon too? They were rare for 5 months, and are going to be less rare now. That's what happens to everything in FFXIV without exception (well, there's time limited rewards but I don't believe that's the same case).

Yeah, you knew that the ilvl cap would raise. Sort of a false equivalency there. Also, if your going to reply, at least answer the question. Do you think there were any minions obtainable in game that were just too hard to get?

We don't know that minions would get a drop rate increase since there has never been a precedence. If anything, minions drop raters were nerfed in some dungeons. It's sad that this game is losing any worth while things to do. Why even try anymore... really? I could raid log all of heavenward and then just swoop in at the end of the xpax and collect all the handouts and freebies.

Technically, minions like Gestahl are rare by comparison to others. This being because of the fact you need a 55+ FSH retainer and a lot of luck. Let's be honest here, not a lot of people would bother with FSH, much less end up having a FSH retainer over a miner/botanist or combat one. I managed to get the pet and have it up on the MB for a high price, just in case it turns out that I want it for the LoV content. Mind you, that was the only one out of all of my daily attempts since a week or so after early access HW. Even Assassin Fry is a PITA to get with better gear and high CUL desynth. That one though can be tried for so long as Gloom weather is around.

So, you don't want any long term goals associated with minions? The two examples you provided could be bought from the MB from a single day of gil farming. Do the rarest minions really need to be more accessible than a single day of gil farming?

[Tint]

So, there should be nothing worth working for in this game?
[...] It's sad that this game is losing any worth while things to do. Why even try anymore... really? I could raid log all of heavenward and then just swoop in at the end of the xpax and collect all the handouts and freebies.

after they increased the pony droprate and now the option to rape the primals at lvl 60... yeah, i agree with you o.o/

and i bet they drop the price for fenrir with the gold saucer update in 3.1

the best and funniest thing is that at the same time there is a really big group of people who just quit the game (until 3.1) because there is no more usefull content to do to keep you busy and another group (i think they are the exactly same people) who complains about low drop rates and want for every loot some tokens to get the loot almost instant.

[zosia]

after they increased the pony droprate and now the option to rape the primals at lvl 60... yeah, i agree with you o.o/

and i bet they drop the price for fenrir with the gold saucer update in 3.1

the best and funniest thing is that at the same time there is a really big group of people who just quit the game (until 3.1) because there is no more usefull content to do to keep you busy and another group (i think they are the exactly same people) who complains about low drop rates and want for every loot some tokens to get the loot almost instant.

Exactly! Minions are one of the last long term goal oriented things in this game. But hey! We need less rewarding retention mechanics and more currency grinds! That will keep this game afloat for sure

In other words: Put everything exclusively in the cash shop?

So you have to "actually" work in order to get something and not just sit in front of the computer, playing a game?

Sure, do that, I don't care at this point. The only point of this game is to give everything and anything to players that just log in and idle. They really wanted to go with that theme, obviously. Idyllshire? Just sit there and collect the rewards!

[Welsper59]

So, you don't want any long term goals associated with minions? The two examples you provided could be bought from the MB from a single day of gil farming. Do the rarest minions really need to be more accessible than a single day of gil farming?

Gestahl being almost 5mil doesn't exactly qualify as something affordable for people. To some of us, yeah we can get that and barely dent our funds, but the majority aren't going to be capable of such a thing freely. To be able to make that amount daily, you'd already have to have established yourself in some way, and even then, you're probably not going to be able to upkeep that every single day over a long period of time. Funds and sources of are finite to some degree for nearly everyone. I guess that might depend on server though as, for all I know, Gestahl might be 500k on yours and something simple like FC3 materia could be 100k.

Regarding the long term goals thing, it's fine IMO. I just don't care to feel that in the case of minions like these, assuming they're the target ones of buffing their rates, that they're anything to be up in arms about. They're still going to essentially be rare by their own right, and those who have the potential to get them now, would be the exact same ones to supply them later. The feeling of rarity is exclusive to ourselves... our neighbors/peers really don't give a damn about what you have, even if they might say "nice!" in response to you having it.

Besides, if what you say is true about any given person being able to afford them in a single day how it currently is, that doesn't exactly scream "long term goals". What's the problem then? It's quite contradictory just based on what you claim.

[StouterTaru]

So, there should be nothing worth working for in this game?

I wasn't saying they should be easy to get, just replying to "Were there really any minions out of reach for most players"

Nutkin is out of reach of most players already, with verminion it will be much worse. I have done a few thousand Toadskin or higher maps, and about a hundred green maps from those, with 1 nutkin drop. A fraction of a percent drop from an 18 hour lockout isn't in reach of most players.

[ServerCollaps]

I wasn't saying they should be easy to get, just replying to "Were there really any minions out of reach for most players"

Nutkin is out of reach of most players already, with verminion it will be much worse.

because farming 5m gil is an impossible task? get one gatherer to 60 and you have it in less than 1 week if you gather the usefull stuff (adamantite, porcini, whatever)