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    Player Chif's Avatar
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    I'm no 208 in Alexander savage I need to be 1st place .
    http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/7#bos...Paladin&page=2
    with out thise numpers how can you know your rank ? Parse show it to me .
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    Last edited by Chif; 10-17-2015 at 02:40 PM.

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    Player Kosmos992k's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chif View Post
    I'm no 208 in Alexander savage I need to be 1st place .
    http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/7#bos...Paladin&page=2
    with out thise numpers how can you know your rank ? Parse show it to me .
    I'm sorry, but I can't not ask this. Why do you need to know your rank? Why do you need to be1st? Why does that matter so much to you? Seriously who cares? And why? It's just a number.

    You're quite literally demonstrating the point many have made about parsers introducing an air of competition into what should be a cooperative environment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    I'm sorry, but I can't not ask this. Why do you need to know your rank? Why do you need to be1st? Why does that matter so much to you? Seriously who cares? And why? It's just a number.

    You're quite literally demonstrating the point many have made about parsers introducing an air of competition into what should be a cooperative environment.
    It isn't "just a number". You are basically devaluating all the effort these players put into the game. Also he said that he needs to be 1st, so it is clearly his goal. It's same as wanting to buy a house or collect all the ponies. Would you mock the players for it? Ponies? Such waste of time - you can ride your chocobo. House? Why? You can use the inn room, you silly... Exactly the same thing. Btw. in both cases you are competing against other players for rolls or free plots.
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    Player Kosmos992k's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaell View Post
    It isn't "just a number". You are basically devaluating all the effort these players put into the game. Also he said that he needs to be 1st, so it is clearly his goal. It's same as wanting to buy a house or collect all the ponies. Would you mock the players for it? Ponies? Such waste of time - you can ride your chocobo. House? Why? You can use the inn room, you silly... Exactly the same thing. Btw. in both cases you are competing against other players for rolls or free plots.
    But, this is a coop game, not a competition, that's why there are no leaderboards. You mention this goal of his along side things that are actually supported in the game, yet his goal is entirely of his own making, and nothing supported by the game. I'm not mocking him, so please don't put words in my mouth. You described something as a waste oftime, I did not.

    As for this point, his parsed dps is just a number, and a rank in an unofficial ranking table driven by a parsed dps score generated by a third party tool that is technically prohibited by the terms and conditions of service. It just seems a very arbitrary goal to have and actually makes a point many have posted about people having more than a little interest in their numbers, and those who've pointed out that parsing will bring an air of competition to something that is about cooperation
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    Last edited by Kosmos992k; 10-17-2015 at 05:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    ...
    If the game is about "cooperation". Why don't all the players get the loot instead of the highest roller? Why do things on market boards not sell for fixed amount? Why do raiding guilds hide their strategies for a while? Why do players rush through the game to be the first max level of class x? Why do players flex their gear? Why do players want to create the best glamour? ...

    I guess it is not due to competition, because it is not supported by the genre.
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    Etoile Kallera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaell View Post
    If the game is about "cooperation". Why don't all the players get the loot instead of the highest roller? Why do things on market boards not sell for fixed amount? Why do raiding guilds hide their strategies for a while? Why do players rush through the game to be the first max level of class x? Why do players flex their gear? Why do players want to create the best glamour? ...

    I guess it is not due to competition, because it is not supported by the genre.
    In case anyone's wondering why some folk want more solo activities, I'm sure this is among the reasons. The need to devalue others is one brought on by the players, not the game.

    Btw, cooperation in quotes? Seriously? Is it this foreign thing you've never engaged in during this game? Some attribute afforded to villains and freaks?

    The majority of the game is one where you work with players, not against them. That there is concern about parsers and those those that use them is partly from being forced to adopt a mindset they might not share with the game.

    What you and i think of it, doesn't change the fact that some will take it upon themselves to enforce their play in parts where it isnt wanted. That goes for(and has threads in) every role.
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    Last edited by Kallera; 10-17-2015 at 10:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallera View Post
    What you and i think of it, doesn't change the fact that some will take it upon themselves to enforce their play in parts where it isnt wanted. That goes for(and has threads in) every role.
    And that's any different from now how?

    Whats wrong with good players wanting to play with other good players? What is wrong with not wanting to carry players through content? Who either don't know or don't care that they are performing vastly under the content (not player) requirements. What is wrong with having equal accountability among all the roles?

    One question all you anti-parser people either ignore or avoid, but ultimatelly fail to answer.

    Why shouldn't DPS be as accountable for their ability to perform in party compared to tanks and healers?

    By refusing to reply to that question you state that you have no reply that fits your anti-parser ideals.
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