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  1. #2481
    Player
    Kaenbyou's Avatar
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    Chiaki Nanami
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    Moogle
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkenne View Post
    Kaenbyou, you can edit a post you previously made to bypass the word limit, congrats on your first post, and welcome :v
    I wasn't aware of this, thanks for the tip, pretty flawed system tbh.^^
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    You'll make a fine corpse.

  2. #2482
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    Malicewolf's Avatar
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    Fohl Hakuko
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    Goblin
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Well, seeing this and finding it amusing but not 250 pages worth of reading amusing, I'm not sure if there have been any stories outside of specifically healers, but here's mine. I was a lvl 40 some paladin at the time (which got sync'd to w/e level). I went into tam-tara dungeon with a friend to lvl up her new mage class. The conjurer on the team however, kept randomly leaving his keyboard (or something, because he wasn't doing anything but standing nearby the fights). So guess who had to do the heals instead? Yup. The tank was the healer for half the dungeon. I literally sat in one spot doing flash, fast blade, riot blade, rinse and repeat. 2 dps would attack the enemies surrounding me (unfortunately, not very coordinated there either, so overall, everything took a long time...). Tanks should never be the healer T_T my cruddy +70 heals were barely keeping me alive. Especially since interrupts.

    As a side note, the healer did do his job for the boss at the end (thank god).
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  3. #2483
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    technole's Avatar
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    Thea Sitori
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    Gilgamesh
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    Scholar Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaenbyou View Post
    Just after the boss, the tank drops Darkside, I finally ask him why he's not using Darkside for trash mobs, his answer : "I'm not a good mana manager".
    That Derp Knight should be considering dropping their sword. It's about as blunt as I can be because if they can't manage Darkside at level 60 they don't belong in an "Expert" dungeon.

    By not managing Darkside, they are gimping their self-healing abilities that also come with their MP gain Syphon Strike/Souleater combo, that they are likely not using actively in the first place to get into that situation, so they run out of MP often, and probably are not using Blood Price on cooldown while they are getting hit to get free MP either. No access to Dark Dance parry cooldown, then not enough MP to access Dark Arts for Abysal Drain AoE and self-heal too, all these add-up making them seem more "squish" to healers. Basically they are locking out almost half of their toolkit without Darkside. Totally easy tell the Derp Knights from the real Dark Knights.
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  4. #2484
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    RadiantRay's Avatar
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    Radiant Ray
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    Leviathan
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    White Mage Lv 60
    It seems I finally got a horror story to share. I queue'd up for Brayflox hard mode the other day and got a warrior and 2 ninjas. I was happy because i like brayflox for it's large pulls or so I thought I did.

    Being a new player to the game and all I had no idea what a large pull was until I met this tank who started pulling the adds....and more....and more.......and mooore. I was like when is he going to stop? He kept going until I saw the purple line for the first boss. In my head I was like "omg I must find a way to holy spam as soon as I can" knowing I can't let these things live very long but I"m not level 60 and I don't have Tetragammaton to use as I come out of cleric stance. So going into the pull he's already taking very heavy dmg and I don't think all the adds are even hitting him yet. I cast 3 Cure IIs and they didn't do squat...panicking I cleric stanced and swiftcasted Holy. I did about 3 of them until the tank's hp got too low for comfort, so benediction it is followed by divine seal Cure II....after the second cure II I realize it wasn't fast enough so I popped Presence of mind and that was just enough to keep him alive...just barely. Well I guess you know what's coming next? The cds wear off and shortly after the tank dies followed by me and the two ninjas. I felt like I could've done better there idk.

    I felt like I let down the party and i never felt so bad as a healer before and to my surprise he did a similar pull right after 2nd boss. Once again the same scenario leading to a wipe except I was the one to die first since i think the adds have a skill tha ttargets a random player, and since I had to had to focus all heals on tank I had no time for myself so I died. Looking back at it now I should've casted cure III since i was standing next to tank, but not everyone's perfect. You have no idea how happy I was to see gates stopping the group after each pull after the 2nd boss was down. I still got a commendation though, I wonder who it was from? xD

    I had a similar party to this immediately after in Hatali Hard mode where the tank pulled everything to first boss. I never done pulls like this before so once again it caught me by surprise. This time it was different though since we had a black mage with us and the "vulnerability up" debuff help with killing them faster and there were much less mobs than Brayflox.

    I swear ever since I got my A1S bracelet tanks been going crazy in DF lately with these crazy pulls. It happens a lot in HWs dungeons but it's much easier to deal with there since WHM has a lot more utility at those levels.
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    Last edited by RadiantRay; 10-16-2015 at 04:40 AM.

  5. #2485
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    Twilite's Avatar
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    Miranda Madison
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    Twintania
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Malicewolf View Post
    W

    As a side note, the healer did do his job for the boss at the end (thank god).
    Well yeah, that was the point in leaving the keyboard. To carry his ass to the boss, since he didn't feel like healing through an entire dungeon. >_>
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  6. #2486
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    cgbspender's Avatar
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    Honinbo Dosaku
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    Ragnarok
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    Culinarian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by RadiantRay View Post
    I felt like I could've done better there idk
    For pulls like this, when I'm not confident I can heal enough, as in when I'm sync'ed, or when I'm uncertain the tank is a master at using his CDs, I don't mind casting eye for an eye during the running. I'm fine with having a couple of mobs jump at me, if that allows me more time to heal the tank.

    Otherwise, I run, precast divine seal, and as soon as he flashed > Cure 2 and then Cure/Cure 2 > Regen/E4E > CS > swiftcast Holy, Presence of mind > Holy Holy, and then back to healing. If the party is fine, mobs should be almost dead by then and you should not have to use benediction.

    A good tank will always stop pulling when he reaches 40/50% hp.
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    Last edited by cgbspender; 10-16-2015 at 02:25 PM.

  7. #2487
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    Meimi_chan's Avatar
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    Lele Santoix
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    Lich
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaenbyou View Post
    "good DRK don't use CD" followed shortly by "I saw lot of DRK not using CD".
    I am not surprised... I was once doing an expert with my boyfriend (he is scholar). We get into Fractal, he usually can DPS and heal the big group in the first room no problem.
    He does the usual, but the tank drops dead. He saw that the paladin wasn't using cooldowns and questions him. His reply? "I never had to use cooldowns on big pulls ".
    After that, tank started to use cooldowns and the rest of the run went fine.

    Quote Originally Posted by RadiantRay View Post
    Being a new player to the game and all I had no idea what a large pull was until I met this tank who started pulling the adds....and more....and more.......and mooore. I was like when is he going to stop?

    I swear ever since I got my A1S bracelet tanks been going crazy in DF lately with these crazy pulls. It happens a lot in HWs dungeons but it's much easier to deal with there since WHM has a lot more utility at those levels.
    It's not your bracelet. Those big pulls have been the norm even when the level cap was at 50. ;-;
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    Last edited by Meimi_chan; 10-16-2015 at 03:14 PM.

  8. #2488
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    Twilite's Avatar
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    Miranda Madison
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    Twintania
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    If I can get off Medica II before tank dies faster than Usain Bolt can run, we're good.

    I pretty much do this: Medica II > Regen > Divine Seal > Cure II spam > Holy(about 3) > Shroud of Saints/Presence of Mind(depends) > Cure II spam(depends)*


    This is not enough to heal stupid though or heal paper tanks through big texas size pulls.
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    Last edited by Twilite; 10-16-2015 at 04:25 PM.

  9. #2489
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    SecretCrowds's Avatar
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    Cerys Fairbairn
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    Tonberry
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Twilite View Post
    If I can get off Medica II before tank dies faster than Usain Bolt can run, we're good.

    I pretty much do this: Medica II > Regen > Divine Seal > Cure II spam > Holy(about 3) > Shroud of Saints/Presence of Mind(depends) > Cure II spam(depends)*


    This is not enough to heal stupid though or heal paper tanks through big texas size pulls.
    You don't have to do all that to heal a tank through a very large pull. All you need is to make sure you get a holy in, even if you have to use swiftcast and you don't have cleric stance up. Once you get that holy in, the stun on all the mobs gives a much larger damage mitigation than any other healing spell you have. After that, you just need to spam your holy (with cleric stance if it wasn't up before) and assize as needed. On your 3rd or 4th holy, the mobs will be immune to stun, so at that moment, turn off cleric stance and use tetragramaton and cure 2 as needed. That will be more than sufficient and you can continue with your holy spam again.

    Remember! Holy is the best "healing" spell a WHM has to heal through a large pull. Get that first holy through and healing will be a breeze.
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  10. #2490
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    Iris_BP's Avatar
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    Rimini Rie
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    Phoenix
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Twilite View Post
    I pretty much do this: Medica II > Regen > Divine Seal > Cure II spam > Holy(about 3) > Shroud of Saints/Presence of Mind(depends) > Cure II spam(depends)*
    I don't see this rotation as optimal, to be honest. First of all, why Medica and Regen before DS? Iirc everything applied before DS won't get a DS buff, so there is that. As for DPS rotation, putting Aero 3 on mobs is essential (it's a huge dps +). I personally use something like this: Asylum (if available)>DS>Regen>1 or two cures if needed>CS>(Swiftcast)>Aero3>(swiftcast)>Holy>Assize>Holy spam till tank is like 20-10% hp>CSoff>Tetra>Cure2>Regen(if it expired)>CS>Holy etc. That's of course for pulls of 3 or more. If there are only two mobs (or even 3, when mana probs), then it's just Aero3>aero2 and rocks all the way. Bosses are the same, except I save PoM for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by SecretCrowds View Post
    Remember! Holy is the best "healing" spell a WHM has to heal through a large pull. Get that first holy through and healing will be a breeze.
    Couldn't agree more. I wish it wasn't so expensive on MP tho xD
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