FFXIV 2nd expansion: Viera-like race still a possibility?

[Zeonx]

I would much rather see a wolf race.

Just like final fantasy 6's own Lone wolf

Or we could do the espers.

Since the esper world existed and espers as a race and to get into the esper world we do quest until we get the medalion that is a neck piece which allows us to enter esper world.

though the esper race whoever is a esper dont need it. I mean primals exist so they must have some sort of spot in this world right?

Or something totally new that has not been seen in other final fantasy games that is a FFXIV made race exclusive to this game. make it crazy

[Interstella]

Uh, just because they have concept art does not mean it's guaranteed - that's the whole point, it's a concept, an idea. It's a normal part of game development. They draw up ideas and concepts and through a process of elimination and debate decide what to develop further and what to abandon to the rubbish bin, with the 'viera mkII' designs seeming to be well in the later I'm afraid.

Besides, Yoshi has repeatedly stated why viera are not going to be added - there is already one 'human/animal hybrid' race in the game in the form of the miqote, thus he doesn't want new races to just be 'more humans with animal parts'. Really, he even admitted during the event that artwork was shown that he was "reluctant to show it," knowing full well players would take it completely out of context and believe that it's going to be added to the game, which it will not. But I digress.

In hindsight I should have added more detail to my post to avoid having somebody misconstrued or just blatantly claim I said something I did not and risk it not being read (although I'm not 100% sure you actually read what I posted anyway), blimey you even quoted me...

Moving on...

I think an issue with new races is the amount of effort and time taken to implement that race in the game with regards to armor, emotes - physical movements, clipping issues (besides horns and tails >.<) versus their appeal to the player-base.

It seems like a lot of work for it to only appeal to a handful of your players.

With the Au Ra in mind, I feel that any future race is just going to be "humans with animal parts", a handful of players may not like it and may want something totally new and not just "humans with animal parts", but the majority of the players do like "humans with animal parts" or just plain humans because as many people in my experience believe: Glamour is the true endgame and it's all about how your character looks to you and other people.

I think it's just a question of what animal parts to stick onto humans:

Cat [check]
Lizard [check]
Wolf [ ]
Rabbit [ ]
MouseBatChrismasdecorationonhead [ ]
Fish [ ]

Esper Race

I think the Ascians are sort of FFXIV's implementation of FFXII Espers, but yea I might Fantasia if I too could be a semi-horse woman with a giant thing on her head ^^

[MicahZerrshia]

a handful of players may not like it and may want something totally new and not just "humans with animal parts", but the majority of the players do like "humans with animal parts" or just plain humans

So you have done random sample polling of people who play this game from all possible geographical areas, analyzed the data, created a bell curve, took into consideration a 4% margin of error, weighed trends, analyzed the random sample by age, race, region, education and gender to discover demographic characteristics, made considerations for your own bias, etc etc etc

Or did you look at a snapshot of numbers released by SE and/or are relating the information relayed to you by the small handful of gamers you speak to in game and here on the forums?


Honestly as all races are just "humans or humans with animal parts" and as there are no truly non-humanoid race this is something that cannot be given a definitive answer.

[Interstella]

So you have done random sample polling of people who play this game from all possible geographical areas, analyzed the data, created a bell curve, took into consideration a 4% margin of error, weighed trends, analyzed the random sample by age, race, region, education and gender to discover demographic characteristics, made considerations for your own bias, etc etc etc

Or did you look at a snapshot of numbers released by SE and/or are relating the information relayed to you by the small handful of gamers you speak to in game and here on the forums?

Man do I love forums like these lol

[MicahZerrshia]

lol sorry to drop a little actual statistical research methodology on you lol

[Colorful]

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No, you do not need to do anything but enter the game and see which race populates it. As Sam said, it's anecdotal but with my 1+ years in this game, that has been the case. Yoshida did admit that players like the more cutesy races, so there's no point in arguing about it.

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That does not mean you only pander to one audience. Tell me, if you have 3 races that cater to the 75% but none that cater to that 25%, do you create fourth for the 75% or one for the 25%? I'm all for Viera if they look more unique and not Miqo'te with bunny ears. I think FFXII's rendition is nice, tall, elegant, while being different. I would like something different personally, like Goblins (but not Goblins please).

[Interstella]

That does not mean you only pander to one audience. Tell me, if you 3 races that cater to the 75% but none that cater to that 25%, do you create fourth for the 75% or one for the 25%? I'm all for Viera if they look more unique and not Miqo'te with bunny ears. I think FFXII's rendition is nice, tall, elegant, while being different. I would like something different personally, like Goblins (but not Goblins please).

Yea I see what you're saying Colorful, but I'm essentially saying it's more lucrative to pander to the 75% (purchasing the game, fantasias), but also one can say that 75% of the play base is quite a significant number, wouldn't one be able to use this as an indication that the template of a race is popular not just in FFXIV but MMOs in general and therefore have the potential to persuade individuals into trying the game

I feel that the 25% would initially be disappointed (I sure was when Au Ra females came out and then seeing the scrapped concept(?) art) but just continue playing - essentially making no difference to SE

I too would like a fierce Viera Race


DISCLAIMER: I did not carry out any formal investigations for this post

[Samcaesar]

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Again, debatable imho, especially the Lalafell bit. I mean, until there are actual in depth statistics about it, I think it's best to rely on the data SE has given us. Like I said though, the apparent popularity of the Au Ra would likely mean that their biggest population boom was right as soon as they were released. I mean, come on now, don't you find it a little odd that even after two months of existing that the overall population is still in a less than the Roegadyn's according to the census?

While also discussing the census, I feel it's kinda interesting to note that from 2014 to 2015, the overall population of Roegadyn increased by 1% across the board, while sans Miqo'te in the European data had decreased a variety of percents

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Yep, and the statistics currently indicate at least an unconscious bias towards cutesy characters (Though I love my Roegadyn alts <3).. But I do really wish Yoshida and the Dev team would just focus on making changes and races that appeal to a plethora of demographics as opposed to only cute/sexy races. Like, would it really have killed them to make it so that the Auri women could go anywhere from 4'8 to 7'3..? Or If there was at least one more masculine/tough facial option for them? Or if there was the option to either have the scale pattern that the guys have or the girls have? Or some emotes/cposes that aren't reminiscent of a excitable tween? Like all of those seem like ridiculously easy to think of and implement (If they were worked on from the start) and I really wish the dev team would do something with ideas like those. I'd be way more sated and even fine with adding the Viera or any other cute race if I could have a "Wide as a guy" version of a girl Roegadyn or "Tall, spiky, and rough" version of the Au Ra

I don't think FFXII's rendition of the Viera would add much, if at all, to the game that Elezen with long nails and bunny ears wouldn't, most people aren't willing to accept that idea as valid in the least though. I mean, really now, the Viera concept are looks like the concept art for the Elezen, just with kinda digitigrade legs and bunny ears to me. On your goblin comment.. Does anyone know where the heck the dev team (And probably FF in general) got their idea for goblins? I'm a little curious about them because they look so.. Odd, especially when compared to like D&D esque goblins.

[Ghastly]

Today in the Void ark preview they just added the term Sky pirate.

[Soralis]

they should have listened to every single demographic by making xaela females like concept art and those who want cute chars make them as raen