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  1. #291
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    AkashiXI's Avatar
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    Akashi Mousai
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    Adamantoise
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    Archer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by sirDarts View Post
    Yeah, no. Those Adds are really not the healer's job. The randomness of their side of approach, the fact that they are not really close together, and the need for relatively high HPS, and cleansing of explosive, all talk against the healer wasting time with them.
    I will gladly DoT the boss, put a Shadow Flare underneath him, and basically make up for most of the lost DPS on the boss you suffer because you have to deal with the Adds, but you can't make up for the HPS and cleanse I am required to do so we don't wipe.
    They have low hp, throw out your dots on them and bane, Broil once, boom dead. Maybe I'm being an elitist, but you're making it seem like you're doing 500 actions in a second when it's really a simple add that'll benefit the Raid's DPS by you taking care of it.

    Edit: Also remember they don't need to die immediately, so long as they don't reach the melee/tank and they don't tether to the boss (they reach the other side). I could understand if your healer is sub ilv165 or something, but that's the minority these days.
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    Last edited by AkashiXI; 10-14-2015 at 10:50 PM.

  2. #292
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    raela's Avatar
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    Raela Sarinelle
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    Cactuar
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    Scholar Lv 80
    Did ex roulette last night - queued drg/mnk with my friend (i175 and i180 or so?) The healer was i19x, but the tank had an i160 weapon and a mix of law, 160, and lower level gear.. So clearly a new 60.

    We went for one pull at a time and the healer dropped without a word on the third pull.. The poor tank tried to kite everything chewing on his face while we picked things off one at a time. We waited a few minutes for a healer to join, but when no e showed, we apologized and wished him luck on his next queue. Poor guy.
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  3. #293
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    Naliee's Avatar
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    Siru Kissaki
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    Ragnarok
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Yeah, story time about Alex turn 2.

    Me and bf decide to do some Alex 2 and about 2nd run where he(SCH) had to run to cart to save our asses from wiping, we decide that 3rd will be the last one and tell them that we're not going into final room until we know who's driving.
    We get group, final room and we stay just outside and I ask "who's driving?" As I am typing that "we're not coming into room until we know who's doing cart" tank pulls. We're both just "ok" and let them wipe(Yeah, we're assholes). Tank starts going at us being bad, think he called us "Brainafk healers" and cart is not needed in normal Alex (I don't know if that's true in PUG groups, but I rather not risk it on DF). We don't even have the time to explain ourselfs and this tank decides to fake dc because no one is kicking him. Group decided to kick him after waiting like 2 mins, get rep tank and I "brainafk healer" walk away with 3 coms.


    p.s. if you regonize yourself here, I am sorry that I am a "brainafk healer" to you and that I didn't meet your Alexander Savage standards.
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    Last edited by Naliee; 10-14-2015 at 11:33 PM.

  4. #294
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    Avidria's Avatar
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    Avi Taro
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    Behemoth
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by AkashiXI View Post
    They have low hp, throw out your dots on them and bane, Broil once, boom dead. Maybe I'm being an elitist, but you're making it seem like you're doing 500 actions in a second when it's really a simple add that'll benefit the Raid's DPS by you taking care of it.

    Edit: Also remember they don't need to die immediately, so long as they don't reach the melee/tank and they don't tether to the boss (they reach the other side). I could understand if your healer is sub ilv165 or something, but that's the minority these days.
    I may be able to nearly one shot the alarums with stone III, and yeah I will help to kill them (unless the tank is squishy as all heck...), but that doesn't make handling the adds my job as a healer.

    My job as a healer is to heal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fluestergras View Post
    This moment after clearing a dungeon, where you played like a young god in, and you realize that nobody commended you
    I had an A3 run yesterday that got a bit messy very early on. I was in there with 3 fc members (paladin, summoner, and drk). Our drk dies early on, the boss goes for the whm and punches him right in the face, the healer goes down, other people start going down, the summoner is throwing out raises and I put up mana song for the healers, swap to tp song for the tank who's out of tp, back to mana song, to foe req as soon as the healers have mana, back to mana song again because the healer died again, back to foe req...doing everything short of throwing my harp at the boss while trying to dps and dodge and kill adds at the same time. By some miracle we manage to recover from this mess and clear the boss.

    No comms for me. I cri.
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    Last edited by Avidria; 10-15-2015 at 12:23 AM. Reason: char limit

  5. #295
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    AkashiXI's Avatar
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    Akashi Mousai
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    Adamantoise
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    Archer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Avidria View Post
    I may be able to nearly one shot the alarums with stone III, and yeah I will help to kill them (unless the tank is squishy as all heck...), but that doesn't make handling the adds my job as a healer.

    My job as a healer is to heal.
    I agree. My first post said alternatively the healer can kill adds, but I 100% go for them unless I'm with a healer friend. Also I always start with, "I'll take care of adds, melee/tank only attack one if they're near you" before the fight. :s
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  6. #296
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    nssixn6's Avatar
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    Biorr Rhel
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    Famfrit
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    Warrior Lv 60
    A ninja used smokescreen on me...
    Imma tank.
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  7. #297
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    sirDarts's Avatar
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    Elyza Arcanas
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    Phoenix
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by AkashiXI View Post
    They have low hp, throw out your dots on them and bane, Broil once, boom dead. Maybe I'm being an elitist, but you're making it seem like you're doing 500 actions in a second when it's really a simple add that'll benefit the Raid's DPS by you taking care of it.

    Edit: Also remember they don't need to die immediately, so long as they don't reach the melee/tank and they don't tether to the boss (they reach the other side). I could understand if your healer is sub ilv165 or something, but that's the minority these days.
    1) It's dangerous, switching out of cleric is not instant, if someone takes a bigger hit, or the Explosive gets put on, I might have to stop in the middle of the DoTs, which might cause them to walk too far.
    2) They do need to die ASAP IMO, I hate when they take up a bunch of spaces, or even force me to move, with the mines, and AoE it can really get messy.
    3) They can come from an absolutely stupid side, having to turn around and focus on them instead of watching the important thing is a bad idea. DPS can easily switch their focus, healers need to keep EVERYTHING in mind.
    4) As said, the loss of DPS is negligible since I will DPS on the boss while you take care of the Adds. Since that lets me focus on the important fight, I don't have to move, and I don't have to switch targets. SCH can easily pull short-term DPS on par with a DPS, keep in mind that Cleric Stance is almost as potent as BfB.
    5) Aetherflow stacks are not free, they can be used for Mana + DPS, clutch heals, or damage mitigation, using them for Bane on a boss fight is often not a good idea, especially when you plan to use a rather expensive skill (Broil).
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  8. #298
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    KiraKarea's Avatar
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    Naki Ryiu
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    Cerberus
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    Scholar Lv 80
    http://tinypic.com/r/kew6dg/8

    I almost didn't hit the prnt screen button, I was laughing so hard. :-)
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  9. #299
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    Rinoastar's Avatar
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    Rinoa Star
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    Cactuar
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    Scholar Lv 62
    I did a DF HL as PLD and got Snowcloak. The WHM would spam medica II before, during, and after every fight and mob. The BRD in the pty would run ahead and try and pull mobs without even waiting on me to pull them. Amazingly no deaths in the run, but even after asking the whm nicely and politely to stop medica IIing before a fight with a group of mobs, he still continued to do it throughout entire dungeon. My friend even re-asked the whm and explained to him WHY he shouldn't be so medica II trigger happy and it fell to deaf ears or a blank brain of some sort. Amazingly...I was able to hold hate throughout the dungeon, even with that BRD trying to be the tank hero for us. *face palms so hard hands goes through my skull*
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  10. #300
    Player Fluestergras's Avatar
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    Aru Tirauland
    World
    Shiva
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KiraKarea View Post
    http://tinypic.com/r/kew6dg/8

    I almost didn't hit the prnt screen button, I was laughing so hard. :-)
    Wait, how on earth is THAT possible o.O xD
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