A Solution to Healer Wipes

[WinterLuna]

at the VERY least though, a PALADIN should be able to raise in combat... THAT could be a balanced thing... they ARE "holy defenders" after all, and being able to raise an ally during combat fits the role. I sit on tons of extra mp sometimes when people ARE wiping, it would at least be a nice trait to get at higher levels.

Now I wouldn't object to that, it's not a bad idea (although it's still not necessary imo). Just having ALL casters with a raise option is extremely OP regardless of weakness and little mana.

Back to the subject, it's not happening. There's a reason healer type skills are limited to certain classes.

[Giantbane]

Back to the subject, it's not happening. There's a reason healer type skills are limited to certain classes.

You're right! dark knight should not get cleric stance.

However, since BLM already gets Physick (a healer type skill), it makes sense to allow the BLM to also get cleric stance so it's worth something.

[Whiteroom]

Does it make any kind of sense for a black mage to have cleric stance from a lore perspective at all?

Look, I know nobody likes losing runs. But to try to take away the relevance of an entire role is crazy. Bottom line is, if a run can be done without someone in the healer role, it will be. Who is going to take a healer when they could just take another dps and have three mini heals plus the extra burn? The game is already dps centric enough.

Also, lets not forget how poor some of the dps in this game are with the rotations they alreay have. And how some people already think the small heals they do makes any tangible difference, so they cast heals when they should be doing damage.

Also, make the run easier on your healer if you are having problems enough to suggest this. Are they ripping aggro and dying? We'll is everyone getting hit by enough that they have to cast that much. Also, if enough heals are incomptenet to warrent this? Why do you think dps, who have some of the biggest gameplay issues in the community will do better?

Also, it is supposed to matter when your healer dies, not to be like "Oh well, they were just a saftey, it doesn't matter."

[Giantbane]

Does it make any kind of sense for a black mage to have cleric stance from a lore perspective at all?

Does it make sense from a lore perspective for a BLM to have Physick at all? I don't see how it's much different.

Who is going to take a healer when they could just take another dps and have three mini heals plus the extra burn? The game is already dps centric enough.

If you're spamming crappy physicks at -20% potency, you're not going to have a ton of time to DPS. You're better off taking a healer that has shields, regens, emergency heals and high potency heals. They'll have a lot more time to spend DPSing than a BLM/SMN that's trying to fill in full time for a healer. Let alone 3 BLM/SMN all gimping their own DPS so they can throw out the weakest heals in the game at 80% potency.

Also, if enough heals are incomptenet to warrent this? Why do you think dps, who have some of the biggest gameplay issues in the community will do better?

It's not that heals are incompetent. It's that there's lots of less than perfect players out there on every class. In a lot of content (outside of extreme trials and savage raids), you can lose a DPS or 2 (sometimes all of them) and it's not a problem. Back in 2.0, when i90 was top of the line, I saw 2 WARs and a WHM finish off Titan HM from about 40%. They just left everyone else dead and finished because they didn't need them. It's not going to make every single SMN/BLM into saviors of raids or dungeons. But it allows a good, and well geared SMN/BLM save a run if, for instance, a less than awesome healer (or two) has died at 20% (again...)

I mean, what we are talking about is bringing the BLM/SMN spamming heals about to the level of a SCH's fairy (maybe a little higher). You know that completely free heal bot that doesn't prevent the SCH from DPSing at all. I'm still having a lot of difficulty seeing why this is a problem.

[RosaBlanche]

as a smn i would love cleric stance to make physics actually useful, i just want to be able to full heal myself with 2 physics instead of 15.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

They could just turn ..

Strength/Intelligence/Wisdom/Ect into Ability Modifier.

[BunnyHop]

In Tera Online we had self-ress as a healer. That might solve your problem.

But other than that I am against the idea of making dps classes more into healing. As others tried to point out, whenever a class is less needed (healers in this case) people abuse that mechanic and try to bring as much dps as possible. Already been there and seen it happen, don't want to see this happen in this game, sorry.

[Gilraen]

I don't flag as healer in order to dps either

And the only people demanding healers DD are jerks who think healing isn't as important as DDing. Entirely beside the point, just wanted to say that.

[Whiteroom]

Does it make sense from a lore perspective for a BLM to have Physick at all? I don't see how it's much different.

If you're spamming crappy physicks at -20% potency, you're not going to have a ton of time to DPS. You're better off taking a healer that has shields, regens, emergency heals and high potency heals. They'll have a lot more time to spend DPSing than a BLM/SMN that's trying to fill in full time for a healer. Let alone 3 BLM/SMN all gimping their own DPS so they can throw out the weakest heals in the game at 80% potency.

If that is your point, your heals wouldn't keep up anyway, remember, the more you heal, the less you dps, the longer the boss lives, either your heals can keep up or they can't. If they can, you had no need for the healer in the first place. If they can't, you are better to go hard on dps and finish off the boss quick while the tank pops his cool downs and hp regen.

Also, its not too far fetched for BLMs to have a small heal. And it servers the purpose of helping them at low level solo content. They could have taken that away and given you a heal called Cauterize or something in place of an actual dps ability. Also, by your method, now you have DPS taking a bunch of healing cross class instead of ones that help them do their DPS job, on the off, off chance that they piss of or kick their healer. Also, now you have battle rezzing tanks. Content has become much more easy mode with just that idea.

[Archaell]

And the only people demanding healers DD are jerks who think healing isn't as important as DDing. Entirely beside the point, just wanted to say that.

I haven't seen these jerks in-game, only on these forums... maybe because I picked up dpsing quite quickly. There is a point in your skill progression when you as a healer realise that if you don't dps it quite often leads to enrage wipes and enrage wipes are indeed accompanied by low dps jerks blaming healers for dpsing instead of healing or not healing enough.