Bard - they broke my job

[RiceisNice]

,,,

Except in that scenario, you'd also want to make sure you want SS active before you reapply iron jaws. I'm talking about a perspective where the proc occurs around the time you need to refresh SS above all else, and the proc just happens to be there and delays your next oGCD.

HS, HS (ss procs), Use SS (proc not used) proc, Iron Jaws, Empyreal arrow

You'd have to clip into your next weaponskill either way by using empyreal arrow first, or delaying your empyreal arrow after SS . And even then, this isn't something that theoretically drains your TP bar *faster* because you aren't using empyreal arrow that much more frequently until you get into the really long fights or have incredibly high SS in your case (Which is not exclusive to empyreal arrow draining your TP, but having high skill speed speed up your GCDs that causes the faster depletion of TP)

[JackFross]

You'd have to clip into your next weaponskill either way by using empyreal arrow first, or delaying your empyreal arrow after SS .

Or you just do

HS > HS (SS procs) > Use SS (proc not used) proc > IJ > SS proc > EA

because the SS proc has a long runoff and will still be up 1 gcd later for you to pop it going into EA; thus 0 gcd clipping. It's a bug in the same way as casting Fire 1 on BLM and then hitting Fire III as a proc hits doesn't proc Firestarter and causes you to hard-cast full MP Fire III. It's not a bug, it's latency in skill activation; there's a delay between proc activation and the buff being on your bar. If you watch that video you linked again, you'll see he starts casting Straight Shot before he even has the Straighter Shot buff on his bar.

Basically, it's time to learn what BLMs learned back in 2.0. Don't do HS (proc!) SS - do HS (proc!) HS SS.

[RiceisNice]

Or you just do

HS > HS (SS procs) > Use SS (proc not used) proc > IJ > SS proc > EA

because the SS proc has a long runoff and will still be up 1 gcd later for you to pop it going into EA; thus 0 gcd clipping. It's a bug in the same way as casting Fire 1 on BLM and then hitting Fire III as a proc hits doesn't proc Firestarter and causes you to hard-cast full MP Fire III.
Basically, it's time to learn what BLMs learned back in 2.0. Don't do HS (proc!) SS - do HS (proc!) HS SS.

But now you're delaying empyreal arrow, which is your strongest oGCD that should be used as it comes up. I say it's a bug because it's not in the same merit as BLM because BRD cast times are 1.5 seconds out of a 2.5 GCD (and so is MCH, where quite frankly they do not have this problem). Realistically, they shouldn't even have a problem with SS because their cast time is shorter than the GCD, but the issue we have here is that you can't even force a refresh by using an oGCD, and for some reason getting your SS in when your previous HS proc'd it would delay your oGCD weaving, which then clips into your next GCD weaponskill

A BLM can force their refresh with an oGCD (which would clip at least a split second into their GCD, since their cast times are either equal or longer than their GCD), but their procs occur faster than BRDs while having less buffer time (their cast time minus their GCD) is what I'm getting at. There's no reason it should be designed like this when MCH can do it just fine.

And lastly, I played BLM, your bolded statement right there, BLMs can't/don't need to do that because their procs appear on both the SCT and the skill bar at the same time. They do not have an instance where the buff shows on their SCT, but gets delayed on their action bars, ever. Infact it's the opposite (the action bar prompt appears before the SCT buff), but the time difference is so minuscule it might as well be at the same time. As a BRD, I can't do what you have laid out there if I have to refresh my SS buff after that HS which caused the proc, espesically if I'm going to refresh my DoTS with the crit buff.

[rappa]

Or you just do

HS > HS (SS procs) > Use SS (proc not used) proc > IJ > SS proc > EA

HS > HS (SS procs) > Use SS (proc not used) proc > IJ > EA > SS proc > bloodletter/oGCD

I think is the best option if this shit happens.

[RiceisNice]

HS > HS (SS procs) > Use SS (proc not used) proc > IJ > EA > SS proc > bloodletter/oGCD

I think is the best option if this shit happens.

As long as you don't need to use an oGCD right after the bolded part, you won't be affected all that well. But still, it's not like you want to delay your oGCDs. The class would still function better as a whole if they fixed up the procs and weaving, and maybe differentiate the two jobs a bit more.

[AkashiXI]

Basically, it's time to learn what BLMs learned back in 2.0. Don't do HS (proc!) SS - do HS (proc!) HS SS.

You don't know what you're talking about. In fact, I'm extremely happy Rice is here to respond in a respectful way because there are so many hyperbole thrown in this thread to justify their theories, but lacks any depth whatsoever. Just because another job had some metaphysical short end of the stick doesn't justify the QoL problems Bard experiences with their procs or Empyreal Arrow delay issue . Let SE fix the issues and stop making this thread into the echo chamber of stupid.

edit: this post is now even better now I can see the roe my FC switch me to for the next week. Basically: my avatar = the majority of this thread.

[aabe]

incredibly high SS in your case.

Ah right, "incredibly high" as in, the SS you have when you're BiS.

You got me though mane

[Argentt]

Additionally, as part of a job adjustment, we’re making detailed adjustment such as ninja/paladin’s TP, and other adjustments to bard and astrologian.

Only took a 1500 post whine thread (plus countless other smallers ones) to finally make it happen :P

I wonder what changes we'll see. Fixing straighter shot animation lock? Bloodletter proc stacking? Improved movement?

[Moomba33]

I'm going to keep my expectations low.

[Greywolfamakir]

Only took a 1500 post whine thread (plus countless other smallers ones) to finally make it happen :P

I wonder what changes we'll see. Fixing straighter shot animation lock? Bloodletter proc stacking? Improved movement?

Nerf Foe maybe?