The issue nobody wants to address

[tjw]

Thats all well and good that you can eyeball it. But that whole side of it only involves the "if something is going wrong." It doesn't do the part of letting people test their own rotations and see which are better. Or any of the other information you gain from a parser.

While I would agree that it is better than those fools that go "hurr durr, use the aggro bar!" It still is totally reliant on a healer or someone else knowing all role fairly intmately, and being able to constantly watch all enemies as well as the party list, while performing their own job. Where a parser shows a lot more at a glance. With your method, you run into "I know how to play! Your the one holding us back". With a parser, your response is easily "The numbers tell a very different story."

I'm not denying the practicalities of a parser; it's just that's the whole subject of it is very shaky ground when it comes to the community. The pros and cons have been discussed to dust in many topics; anything I say will have been repeated countless times already. The only rule I have to parser was said above; make mine not your enemy, and I shall not make you mine enemy.

As said, I do not state that I can replace a parser. Heck, if I could be a human parser, I would! The first post I replied to in this thread was in the vein of "if something goes wrong and I can't tell who's stuffing up", which was when I gave my suggestions. I won't deny I occasionally get the sassy reply of "I do what I want!", but I just ignore them then; you don't want my help, you don't want my heals. Especially when in the period I waste healing them I can squeeze out a few Stone IIIs, Malefic IIs or Broils.

I think there's a really good pic recently going around that describes how easily I can switch from a helpful healer that wants the best of everyone to a healer that just doesn't give a damn. But that's neither here nor now.

EDIT: Ah found it.

The top pic is me normally. The bottom one is when you annoy me beyond my threshold level.

[Ryel]

So you need to publicly parse what? Alexander Savage?

Is this.. a legitimate question?

Okay.. we can go there.

List of casual to midcore content that has DPS checks in some variety, keep in mind there are 3 types of DPS checks. This doesnt count coil / savage to be fair or it'd be much longer. also not counting any boss that spawns large numbers of adds that are required to be killed to prevent a wipe, See: Pharos Sirius, Sastasha (hard)

pass/fail aka phase passing: A certain amount of party DPS is required to progress to the next phase of the fight (See: Titan's Heart)

Soft enrage:The boss may have a stacking debuff or move that starts doing incremental increases in damage if a DPS threshold isn't met by a certain amount of time.

Hard enrage:If you dont meet the DPS time requirement the fight ends, do not pass go do not collect $200. can also refer to pass/fail DPS mechanics has some overlap with phase passing in multi stage fights.

This list has been skewed due to level increases, echo and gear additions however it assumes you are attempting the content at level / ilvl to be accurate. Also just because a DPS check is "easy" doesn't mean it isn't a check, this merely refers to mechanics that require DPS to pass or prevent party / raid wipes.

This list is almost entirely done by memory so it's likely to have some errors and i may miss a few.


Dungeons:

Amdapor Keep
Soft enrage: Demon Wall pre nerf, soft DPS check after adds spawn, wall pushes you back to the poison DoT eventually kills the party.
Soft enrage: Anantaboga, running out of cover for the party wide AoE will eventually result in a wipe

Amdapor Keep (Hard)
Soft enrage: running out of statues on the first boss will result in a eventual wipe.
Soft enrage: Kill room, timed DPS zerg against adds, failure to finish in time results in increasing damage from the enemies outside of the edge until wipe.

The Lost city of Amdapor
Soft enrage: Diabolos, running out of doors leads to a soft DPS enrage due to the stacking debuff from ruinious omen, wipes the party.

Haukke Manor (Hard)
Potential hard enrage: Failure to kill adds on the final boss leads to party wide AoE and potentially insta wipe.

Sunken Temple of Qarn (Hard)
Potential Hard enrage: Failure to break the "cover" buff and damage the second boss before 100k needles generally results in a party wipe.

Copperbell Mines (Hard)
mix of pass/fail and soft enrage: Bomb spawns on the first boss can wipe the party, taking too long to kill the first boss results in standing in the fire which kills the party.

Brayflox (Hard)
pass/fail: Failure to kill the big bomb on the final boss results in party wipe.

Every one of those dungeons was in Ex roulette when they were relevant.

Primals (Hard)

Ifrit
(pass/fail): Nails, Inferno wipes the party.

Titan
(pass/fail): Titan's Heart, Earthen Heart wipes the party.

Garuda
(pass/fail) Plumes, no rocks Aerial blast wipes the party, Don't kill the sisters? Mistral shriek wipes the party.

Leviathan
(pass/fail) Spumes + converter, Tidal wave kills the party.

Ramuh
(pass/fail) kill the arbiters, judgement bolt kills the party.

Shiva
(pass/fail) kill the golems, diamond dust kills the party.

Ravana
(pass/fail) Ghanas, too many swords wipe the party.

Primals (Extreme)

Ifrit
(pass/fail) Nails, Inferno wipes the party

Titan
(pass/fail) Titan's Heart, Earthen fury wipes the party. Superbomb: failure to leave a safe space will wipe the party.

Garuda
(pass/fail) Plumes + rocks, sisters Aerial blast will wipe the party, P2 sisters: Mistral shriek will wipe the party

Leviathan
(pass/fail) Spumes + converter, Tidal wave wipes the party, Adds not killed before the 3 stun limit will hysteria effectively wiping the party.

Ramuh
(pass/fail) Arbiters not killed, Judgement bolt wipes the party.

Shiva
(Pass/fail) Golems, Diamond dust wipes the party
(Soft enrage) Stacking buff on Shiva will eventually wipe the party if the fight goes on for too long.

Bismark
(pass/fail) failure to kill sunawas ends the fight.
(hard enrage) failure to kill in allotted time wipes the party

Ravana
(pass/fail) Ghanas, too many swords wipes the party
(hard enrage) failure to kill in allotted time wipes the party

Alexander (Normal)

Floor 1
(pass/fail) Failure to kill alarums for missiles potentially wipes the party, Failure to kill both oppressors within time of each other wipes the party.
(hard enrage) Failure to kill oppressors during the time limit wipes the party.

Floor 2
(hard enrage) Failure to clear the encounter in time wipes the party

Floor 3
(hard enrage) Failure to clear the encounter in time wipes the party

Floor 4
(hard enrage) Failure to clear the encounter in time wipes the party

[tjw]

To add to your list Ryel:

Shiva EX: Has a hard enrage. Once you go past 8 stacks of her soft enrage, she will Diamond Dust and wipe the party.

Bismarck Normal has same requirements as Bismarck EX, just less...extreme.

Ultima HM: potential hard enrage AND hard enrage. Either you don't DPS enough during Ultima cast, and wipe, or don't DPS enough during whole fight, and Ultimas you anyway.

Haukke Manor (Hard): Has a hard enrage actually. The final boss is timed; I'm not sure on the exact length of time, but if you take too long to kill her, she will use the party-wide AoE at its highest strength, wiping the party.

Fractal Continum: Second boss has potential hard enrage. If you don't kill him within the four adds you are supplied, he will wipe the party.

Keeper of Lake: Last boss potential hard enrage. If you don't kill the bird and activate the field, party wipe.

Tam-Tara HM: Last boss potential hard enrage. If adds aren't killed fast enough, Edda's AoE will wipe the party.

Brayflox HM: Last boss potential hard enrage. If big bomb isn't killed, party wipe.

Praetorium: Ultima. 'Nuff said.

Sohm Al: Soft enrage. The longer her wings take to die, the more damage up stacks she gets.

Aery: potential hard enrage. If adds aren't killed while Nidhogg is charging Massacre, party is wiped.

Vault: potential hard enrage. If flameballs aren't killed, SICKNESS MUST BE PURGED.

Library: soft enrage. If books aren't killed on second boss, boss will gain stacks.

[Ryel]

snip

Thanks, i was literally going off memory there.

[Odett]

Nidhogg from the Aery also has that fire prison that MANY DPS players fail to pass as well

[Whiteroom]

EDIT: Ah found it.

The top pic is me normally. The bottom one is when you annoy me beyond my threshold level.

Lol, bottom pic was me all week in A1. Actually, the last run, where I finally got my gear, the one tank that couldn't hold hate, was immediately pulling before buffs and the other tank trying to repair. Half of us just stood there. Lucky the tank left and we got a good one.

Nidhogg from the Aery also has that fire prison that MANY DPS players fail to pass as well

Every time when I'm tanking:

"I don't want to turn the boss around to attack this! But the other/both DPS are ignoring it!"

[reillyblair]

i think the major crux of all this is duty roulette verses first time clear

it would be nice if there was a speedrun option for the df that would only put you with speedrun people

which i think would be perfect for the roulettes

i know myself even as a dps i love speed runs when i have already cleared things (DD is so much fun as a speed run for a blm lol)

i would like a parser so that i can see where my dps is falling short basically so i can improve myself not haze others about how pathetic they are at dps/tanking/healing

the other 2 are pretty obvious though if a healer is bad dead tank and if a tank is bad usually dead healer or dead team

[Jynx]

Is this.. a legitimate question?

Okay.. we can go there.

The entire list you have up to savage your DPS pretty much need to be asleep for you do miss those DPS checks. I hardly see how parsing low level dungeons will do any good for anything.

Just because you understand a parser and know how to interperet the data doesn't mean the masses of ignorant people allready in the game. Your asking for people who don't generally understand a rotation to understand the complexity of a proper parse it's not just the number that is important it's the context around that number. Next thing your going to see Healers and Tanks getting shit for not DPSing hard enough in content because over-zealous DPS are forcing them to overheal-tank.

it's not just a simple as throwing a parser into the game and everything will be allright because you can now call out a bad DPS. Your putting a powerfull tool into the hands of people who don't understand what it means, a whole mass of hundreds of thousands of players who don't get what a parse is and you now need to train those players on what it's purpose is otherwise your going to throw the general playerbase into chaos. Parsing is a great tool for people who use it, understand it, and aren't a dick with it.

Seriously I'm not just saying

"Hur-dur parsers are dumb, let me be a bad player herp"

[Ryel]

The entire list you have up to savage your DPS pretty much need to be asleep for you do miss those DPS checks. I hardly see how parsing low level dungeons will do any good for anything.

Except i listed Alexander (Normal) not savage, and sadly DPS miss these checks all the time, hence the issue.

Or did you just happen to miss the tons of posts that have hit the front page of players talking about exactly that.

[Jynx]

So why bloat your list?