What do you think about branching support-based healer from CNJ?

[Kemonologist]

Many people hate branching job because balancing problem but conjurer has different issue. Now, CNJ attack and healing class actions are on a par with AST with addition Cure III and no instant Regen only (Don't count AST unique support mechanic because it look like 2.0 job action more than class action). That can make them into another support-based healer like SCH and AST by adding some party support mechanic to new job action instead of raw healing and self buff actions like WHM such as GEO's Luopan mechanic from FFXI (It's similar to MCH turret with limited duration) and make them become Geomancer who have related lore with CNJ too. Do you think this is good idea?

[Alex_Lenderson]

I don't mind but its stepping on AST's toes pretty hard. I'd prefer they create a pure support class and balance it properly so it isn't a must have.

[Belhi]

I don't mind but its stepping on AST's toes pretty hard. I'd prefer they create a pure support class and balance it properly so it isn't a must have.

Which they don't seem inclined to do. Its not suprising. Getting such fine balancing with just the set roles is hard enough. With a support class its very hard to have worthwhile while not making it must have.

[Saccharin]

I hate support roles in any game so no. I think they want to pretend classes never existed tbh.

[Urthdigger]

I don't think CNJ should branch out to yet ANOTHER healer. I feel the whole point of branching classes like SMN and SCH is that the same role/weapontype gives multiple roles they can do. I don't think "healer" and "another flavor of healer" are different enough. Honestly, I'd like to see most classes branch out into one DPS, and one tank/healer. So, perhaps something like Elementalist as a DPS? Potentially a DPS that inflicts debuffs alongside its attacks as a main gimmick.

[Wildsprite]

personally IF they were to add another job to CNJ I would rather it be an attacker DPS

[tjw]

CNJ is one of those classes that cannot branch outside of something healer-related, due to more than half its skills (10/18) being healing or support spells and skills, unlike ACN which had only 4 out of 18 skills being heals or support abilities. It will thus be under-powered or over-powered as a DPS or tank; it's almost impossible to balance to make it function as part of another trinity. Basically, any DPS or tank that can self-heal as it can with a CNJ's toolkit should not even be thought about. You can say to lock Cleric Stance so they can't heal, but that renders FIVE abilities utterly useless then. ASTs were already feeling the lockout with 5 semi-useless abilities at the beginning of 3.0 (Nocturnal Sect, Celestial Opposition, Collective Unconscious, Stella, Lightspeed); having 5 utterly useless abilities will either push the new job completely out of the raid scene OR make it introduce overly powered job abilities to make up for that uselessness.

[CGMidlander]

personally IF they were to add another job to CNJ I would rather it be an attacker DPS

Geomancer?
Take throwing rocks to the next level!

[Lemuria]

Now, CNJ attack and healing class actions are on a par with AST with addition Cure III and no instant Regen only (Don't count AST unique support mechanic because it look like 2.0 job action more than class action).

Before I even argue the merits of one class over the other, could you explain what you mean by this? Are you insinuating that Cure III and instant Regen are White Mage's only unique mechanics, or lamenting that these mechanics have leaked to Astrologian? Unclear sentence is unclear.

If you mean the former, then you'd be wrong because Aspected Benefic is an instant cast spell which grants Regen in Diurnal Sect. If you mean the latter, then you'd still be wrong because Cure III is not a spell that Astrologian has an equivalent for.

I think the classes are different enough to be distinct, so Conjurer needs no further branching paths. It would be very difficult to make Conjurer into anything besides a healer because a large number of a conjurer's skills involve curing or protecting in some form. In fact, 10 of our 18 skills are either curatives or protection spells. Compare and contrast that to Arcanist whose base class only has 2 curative skills (Physick and Resurrection) and one defensive skill (Eye for an Eye).

The reason it works for Arcanist is because they change the summons to become additional healers. There's not much you can change on a conjurer which wouldn't seem out of place.

[Wildsprite]

Geomancer?
Take throwing rocks to the next level!

if they did this I would take it!