The issue nobody wants to address

[Azazua_azura]

ima get heat for this but i'm sickl and tired of this stupid petty bs.

I'm a gamer who absolutely hates paersers. I find such user (not prefesional as in the mmo company made it) application to be inaccurate and inconsistent, and just used as a tool to rag on other players.
I find it hard to believe this hive mind of mmo game base find such a program to be fundimental if not required to play a game.

Here is some back story on why, I used to play dcuo on the ps3. They added a ingame parser system for content, it would measure everything out and rate you. You can see this at any time during said content. What happen was randomsa would become so foul mouth over mic it ant funny, they would rag on each other for you doing the best. People did not work together and pretty much bum rush to try and stay on top as number 1 in the run.

I also took notice how easy it was to manipulate, and in a few bits of content me as a healer out dps and out cured everyone in my group. Not by playing my class well but simply making sure i attacked first grouped up most of the mobs and use my aoe, then after switch from dps to healer to cure everyone with my aoe cure.

Having the most damage does not mean you play are class well, and inbefore people say "but the dps checks" SE been doing mobs with enrage timers and dps checks in most final fantasy games. Need to level up, gear up, use any buff or benefit to help, and using your skills well timed and buffs well timed.

Also it isn't hard to check ur damage output, simply seeing how much of the mobs/boss hp you take out all you need to know in my opinion, thats how i judge my performance and aim to improve if I see my attacks not taking a decent amount of damage i adjust my gear and timing on my buffs, and adjust my skills on my hotbar to be more fluid and comfortable.

As for rotations, in most cases they are pretty much spelled out for you, it didn't takwe a parser to figure it out. Also whats wrong with simply trial and error? ralking amounts your friends on how they play? Why does everything need to be a "the parser figured it out"

My final thing, STOP backseat playing other peoples characters. It is rude, inconsiderate and just plain snobby. You have no idea what the person us doing, how the persons hotbar is set up, what the person net connection is or where they live. The more time you spend on whatching other pleople the less time you spend doing your role. If things go south don't blame any one player, talk on how the wipe happen and what the group as a whole can do to improve.

[Solarra]

STOP backseat playing other peoples characters. It is rude, inconsiderate and just plain snobby. You have no idea what the person us doing, how the persons hotbar is set up, what the person net connection is or where they live. The more time you spend on whatching other pleople the less time you spend doing your role. If things go south don't blame any one player, talk on how the wipe happen and what the group as a whole can do to improve.

Thank you so much for injecting some common sense into this debate (and Kosmos992k too). I've been following this thread for a while and I've been absolutely appalled by the attitude some of the posters have towards other players.

I'm all for Square giving us a personal parser because that would help players who are interested in improving their own performance.
If a player isn't interested in improving then there is nothing anyone can do to change that; confronting them with the figures is not going to produce a miraculous improvement.

As to being allowed to use the figures produced by a parser to 'punish' bad players for not performing to other people's standards... Seriously!?!
I find it hard to believe anyone has such an inflated sense of their own importance that such a proposition seems reasonable.

If a group wish to use a parser Square have already said they don't mind as long as users are discrete. That seems fair enough.

[MentheusDreyar]

ima get heat for this but i'm sickl and tired of this stupid petty bs.

You will get heat, but feel free to always express your opinion ^^ anyway...

Having the most damage does not mean you play are class well, and inbefore people say "but the dps checks" SE been doing mobs with enrage timers and dps checks in most final fantasy games. Need to level up, gear up, use any buff or benefit to help, and using your skills well timed and buffs well timed.

As a DPS good damage indicates you are playing your job well or are on the right track at the very least, almost everything in the game as a Lv and Ilv requirement, so its doable at those levels, gearing up only makes it easier but if you can't pull your weight at minimum Ilv then you clearly aren't as good as you think, and if you STILL can't pull your weight after that then you are just bad...

Also it isn't hard to check ur damage output, simply seeing how much of the mobs/boss hp you take out all you need to know in my opinion, thats how i judge my performance and aim to improve if I see my attacks not taking a decent amount of damage i adjust my gear and timing on my buffs, and adjust my skills on my hotbar to be more fluid and comfortable.

But that's only a rough guess and not accurate at all, and is for sure not good enough for anything remotely challenging, especially progression raiding, you need numbers.

As for rotations, in most cases they are pretty much spelled out for you, it didn't takwe a parser to figure it out. Also whats wrong with simply trial and error? ralking amounts your friends on how they play? Why does everything need to be a "the parser figured it out"

Yes your Basic rotations are easily spelled out for you, but how do you think people discovered the Optimal rotations everyone uses currently? they used a parser to more accurately calculate everything. A parser just saves time and makes it easier to see what the issue/who the issue is damage wise.

My final thing, STOP backseat playing other peoples characters. It is rude, inconsiderate and just plain snobby. You have no idea what the person us doing, how the persons hotbar is set up, what the person net connection is or where they live. The more time you spend on whatching other pleople the less time you spend doing your role. If things go south don't blame any one player, talk on how the wipe happen and what the group as a whole can do to improve.

It's also rude, inconsiderate and plain snobby to just stroll into content and not perform on par with at least your expected minimum contribution, which is what people are angry about, if content is cleared then no one really cares if you could do better, but when you're holding back a group you deserve to be judged and removed if you aren't pulling your weight in anything above dungeon level content. STOP expecting us to carry people through content without them putting in effort to learn anything. In this case the player isn't putting out enough DPS (because you obviously can't parse mechanics), it's not our responsibility to teach them how to play their Job in the instance. If they can't meet the DPS check at the minimum Ilv or later it's not worth the rest of the player's time in keeping them to wipe over and over. If the problem is the mechanic's of the fight i'll give them a few tries at most, but after that it's clear they won't get it and we need to replace them to have a hope of passing the content.

The only time a "group meeting" would even work is for a pre-made group, randoms are too impatience and prone to rage quitting to bother with that, plus the major issue of language barriers if i physically can't explain it to them then i'll have no choice but to quit, or replace them. And i sure as hell won't eat a lock out if its only one person causing the issue that we could just replace.