Raider to Non-Raider: an exhibition on thoughts and misconceptions

[zosia]

Because I'm amused by the fact that no matter what SE does, people will complain.

Also amused at the fact that people asked for a harder raid and are now crying that they got it. Basically, just a whole lot of amusement.

*leans back and sips imaginary tea*

Sounds very fulfilling! Remind me to send you a fedora while we are at it.

[Madjames]

All I want are actual raids like Ulduar, ICC, Karazhan, and any other good raids in wow. These are nothing but primal battles, they shouldn't even be counted as raids.

[ShanaShirayuki]

Because I'm amused by the fact that no matter what SE does, people will complain.

Also amused at the fact that people asked for a harder raid and are now crying that they got it. Basically, just a whole lot of amusement.

*leans back and sips imaginary tea*

So you're amused by an occurrence that pretty much happens in everyday life? Your life must be so dull then. Not everyone is going to be pleased one way or the other, not to mention the fallacies you've used in your arguments further discredit the point you're trying to make.

[Renault]

Gonna leave this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._to_be_a_good/

It also talks specifically about the last 2 floors.

I've read this, and it's elitist garbage. I've cleared A3S and I still disagree with it. I see you, however, have not. So I have to wonder, why preach elitism if you are not among the elite? Seems silly and delusional.

[Sparktacus]

"When you cut out all the bloat" is an interesting euphemism for "when you absolutely remove all details from this situation and skew it towards my uninformed opinion, based entirely on a couple of posts I might have or not seen in these forums". At least it saves you some words, even if it makes you look even more lost than you already looked. Can you show me some evidence of this clamoring for a hard raid? I don't mean "1 or 2 OF posts", I mean something that empirically demonstrates that "WE WANT HARDER RAID" was an universally held opinion among raiders, this also means you have to make sure not to include the weird people who wanted coil to be harder without even clearing T2. Oh wait, I don't think you can actually provide this evidence, because, you see friend, it does not exist. Haha, how weird is that, it's almost as if people who beat some bosses in this game are actually diverse and not some kind of diabolical conspiracy who meet up in their secret base to plan out how to ruin the rest of the game for casuals while rubbing their hands and twirling their mustaches and patting each other in the back about their satanic, unholy parse numbers. Now go bother somebody else with your childish oversimplifications.

I laughed, so true. Marry me.

I was perfectly content with coil level of difficulty AND having a savage version for those that wished for a harder challenge with no repercussion had on the normal tier raiders. Not this bs story mode straight to savage system they decided would be better.

[Astral145]

Aside from the mountain of incorrect information about class you've never played, let's give some context here. Everyone know that if the player base finds an exploit, they will exploit said exploit (see A4S). Also if mechanics don't kill you, they will be ignored (see T2). This is why mechanics are the way they are now. Also fire doesn't "absorb" fire in real life, which is why the proverb (fight fire with fire) exists.

LOL go check my character on FFXIV... I have MCH, BRD, BLM, SMN, SCH, DRG, AST and DRK at lvl 60.... MNK is level 58. ALL my other classes including crafts/gathering are sitting at 50+. I have also researched all the other classes via youtube and forums. So yea I pretty much got the 411 of all the jobs. Try and research before you throw accusations.

[zosia]

I've read this, and it's elitist garbage. I've cleared A3S and I still disagree with it. I see you, however, have not. So I have to wonder, why preach elitism if you are not among the elite? Seems silly and delusional.

I did not even bother to check their toon when they posted. No wonder their t5, t9, and t13 comparison to a3s and a4s seemed strange.

[CosmicKirby]

I've read this, and it's elitist garbage. I've cleared A3S and I still disagree with it. I see you, however, have not. So I have to wonder, why preach elitism if you are not among the elite? Seems silly and delusional.

Yeah, there's some decent incite in the post, such as pointing out there's a very heavy emphasis on reaction and whatnot, but he pretty much says himself that the post was designed to knock people down a notch when they think they're good.

Much less his definition of "good" almost anyone else would describe as "excellent". I don't think a lot of people would only consider the top 1-2% of players of a game, "good".

If anything he does highlight a main component of A3S that is a huge problem for a lot of groups, even if he was initially wrong and hyperbolic for the sake of putting people down. The RNG elements and the short windows to react to mechanics reward players who can think on their feat and are aware of the entire position and state of the raid. The problem is, no fights in the game have really focused on that before.There hasn't really been an easing in of mechanics here. Players haven't had to do complex combinations were all 8 members of a raid have to be able to specifically find another member, determine whether to move towards/away from them, and then do so in a way that's dodging an aoe. And the incredibly punishing consequences for the mechanics and the DPS requirements are icing on the cake.

I wouldn't hesitate to say that A3S is a horribly over designed fight.

[Alahra]

The problem is, no fights in the game have really focused on that before.There hasn't really been an easing in of mechanics here.

The only one I can think of that had anything comparable was Ramuh EX, where the timers on Thunder-whatsit were rather quick. Given latency, it was often pretty hard to avoid other people at times. But it was manageable with good positioning and whatnot. Still hate that fight though.

[CosmicKirby]

Another thing that has bothered me about A3S, is that the internal logic of the fight just doesn't make sense in the savage version.

In normal and during the phase changes, you can clearly see that Living Liquid has a set mass that takes time to reshape and split up. He starts as a large humanoid, he then changes into a hand, he then splits into 2 smaller hands, and he then forms a puddle with a waterspout and some smaller blobs.
In Savage's final phase he just says screw ALL OF THAT LOGIC, MASS IS IRRELEVANT. And proceeds to just spout out a 2nd hand, 3 puddles with water spouts, and remain in giant humanoid form. There was no effort to make the fight or tactics make sense, it's just all cobbled together in the name of difficulty.