Which words or comments make your blood BURN in PvP?

[l---------------l]

So, just thought about making a thread for commenting those words or phrases you hate a lot in PvP and you just don't withstand, and of course your reasons!...

I'm a bit weird in the sense so probably mine won't be the same, but... Here it goes.

Advertisement, the following words are purely my opinion:

<-- Phrases/words/comments that make me BURN in PvP -->

- "Defend" (I TOTALLY HATE this one. It's so pointless to be defending... Attacking is the best defense. I only agree to defense when we wait for the other GCs to fight each other so then we sandwich, the rest.. Pointless... And what's with those who decide to defend a node while being two or three?! What's the point on it?! Nobody will ever attack a node alone, if you defend a node alone you are there to feed the 24 guys that are going to attack it... Geez)

- "Don't chase" (I know what I do when I chase, and when I do it only a 5% of the times I end dying, If you don't know when you can and when you should chase then don't f**** critic the ones who know. Remember that who doesn't risk doesn't win kill.

- "Don't feed" / "Don't provoke" / "Don't move and just stay doing nothing in our base." (Variants of the Don't chase. I hate when team splits so ones decide to go offensive and win something and the others just to defend. )

- "New nodes, spread" (Especially hate it when... There are 5 enemies chasing you and 20 allies around ignoring the fact that 5 enemies are attacking you... Result, you die close to your allies while they retreat and totally ignore you, because, logic, you have to spread for new nodes!... But nothing said about taking the points of 5 dudes chasing the companions in retreat and avoid losing points because people dying.

- "Team is too split, we are not going to win like this" (Hate it when the one who says it just said a few moments ago any of the early phrases. )

- "Go to middle" / "Take middle" / "Middle guys" (When it's ultra-obvious we are going to get sandwiched if we go middle, and there are other better nodes around, or the spawn kill option available. )

As side note, when I detect an excess of cowards in a GC I change to another. I just can't withstand a defensive style.

[Aiden_Volkov]

Vaya niebla lunar (no esque te conozca mucho pero vaya somos vecinos de FC literalmente curioso) cierto que te he visto algunas veces en el wolf's den y en el pvp ya de paso contestaré.

Well i hate when, yes, you have 5 enemies hunting you and your comrades "spread" to another and new shiny nodes and let you die, its true also there are a lot of coward gamers, but why? i guess they only play for esoterics and don't mind win or lose, meanwhile they take their esoteric loot everything its OK.

I wanna suggest you, make premade party (like me and my FC comrades) and join some pvp linkshell from your actually GC.

[Guesswhat]

"def"
Yes it's ok SOMETIMES to defend:
If we got 3 nodes in close proximity and sandwich is eminent. Defend the 1 node that is easiest to defend or on the edge.
If we got a node(s) that will accumulate enough point for victory.
If we got 2 nodes and the 2 other teams fight for the 2 others (but, unless we have a clear lead we should sandwich 2nd).
If we have no healers and/or missing numbers.


I sometimes tell peeps not to chase TOO FAR. The "TOO FAR" bit is extremely important. In many cases this will result in a sandwich.

And even if you hate these messages, you shouldn't decide to use yolo/solo starts. This can cause vary chaotic situations.

[Selli]

[EDIT] This post was really long and boring, so I'm gonna make a TL;DR version.

"Where are my heals?"

Stop trying to 1v5 all the time and maybe my Cure II spamming will keep you alive for longer than 15 seconds.

[BubblyBoar]

Honestly, all those situations are well....situational. Sometimes those commands are good and sometimes they are bad. Sometimes people make good calls and sometimes they don't. Either way, if you constantly go against the grain and die, you hinder us. If you constantly go against the grain and take people with you, you split the team and make us lose. Your way is not always the right way. Just like their way is not always the right way. But if you aren't going to make calls, then you can't really be upset if people aren't doing what you are doing.

Yes, defending is bad if you are just sitting on a B rank in the middle of nowhere while another GC has 2-3 nodes. Yes, defending is bad when you are going to get sandwiched. BUT! Defending is great when you have multiple nodes lose together. Defending is great when you have 2+ nodes and one is A or higher. There is no reason to risk needless deaths when you don't need to. And if it's more beneficial to defend then defend. Offense is not always the best strategy and not every group you get will be good enough to push.

Not chasing is very important. And I say this because I've baited so many people and parties to their deaths. Yes, you may know what you are doing, but they aren't talking to you and only one. It's not personal, they don't know you specifically and are asking you specifically to stop. If you can chase and not die, then good for you. For all the people that can't, they need to be told because they get tunnel vision and die. Or..they get baited and murdered. I've lost count of how many people I've dragged across the map to die. I've literally lead whole parties to my alliance and got them killed. It's just one of those nice things that DRK can do.

Asking people not to feed and provoke is a real thing. I don't know about your datacenter, but on Aether Adders have a habit of latching on to whomever attacks them and bugging them the whole match. They are the weakest GC and make the silliest decisions. They will stick to a single GC even when that one just has a B and another had an A and an S. So when we tell people not to provoke, it's 100% because of that. Another reason is that if you decide to poke at another GC, that means less of your GC is defending your nodes. This means that it is time for the third GC to back cap and sandwich you to make sure you lose your lead if you have one. It is not always the best decision to start poking the enemy for no reason. It's just begging to get murdered. Many people I play with watch for this kind of thing and are always looking to take advantage. Even when a GC is already attacking us, we expect the sandwich and bait one GC into the other because we know you want to poke us. When we just snipe off stragglers and laugh all the way to our win.

If you are too slow and lag behind when it's time to grab nodes, that's 100% your fault. Knowing when to disengage and start searching is important. When 3+ nodes have less than 5-10%, it's time to back up and maybe bait a few (if you are a tank). Otherwise, you are just being greedy and you are going to die because of it. The moment your healers aren't around, you are going t get pushed hard. So if your healer isn't there, don't stay, whether you like it or not. better to retreat than to die. Pay attention to your map. Should your party cover your escape, probably. But they can only support you for so long before they get killed too.

Usually that happens when nodes popped and the team is still split. I know it seems like they are saying one thing after another, but it's more that people are VERY slow to converge or just outright don't bother to keep fighting, thus feed the other GCs. Very rarely do I see someone say it right after saying to spread for nodes but before any new nodes popped. If they did, they are bad.

The mid is fine if you know what you are doing and if you know when to leave it. Most don't, so it's usually not a good call. This is why, if you know better, you should make the calls, or advise when to give them up.

The important part in all this is communication. If you don't like what is being done, explain why and a better solution. If no one listens, you aren't helping by going against the grain and dying.

[Iagainsti]

/a "Don't tell me how to play" (blood boils)

Nothing worse than seeing this, Seal Rock especially is a strat game, stop taking every call out as a personal attack. Geez, drives me nuts when someone is in the fray, and you or someone else with time takes a min to check the map and assess the situation and makes a call out as to how our alliance's next moves should play out, and someone responds with the above. DF especially, ppl need to communicate and direction needs to be laid out, if you aren't a team player, then GTFO.

[LStarbreeze]

You probably shouldn't play seize then

[Houston009]

Players don't like to fight in PvP. Camping nodes is the best way to go. Being passive has led to many victories.

[Cidel]

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I have to support everything just said here. There are a bunch of situations where most of OP's trigger words/phrases are a legitimate strategy/advice. The problem a lot of the time is that you have people calling out conflicting strategies. You sound like you came from a terrible Seize match OP and are venting here.

What comments get to me in PvP?
- any variation of "lol people taking PvP seriously" as an excuse to ignore commands
- any comment insinuating that you're only there for esoterics or (less commonly) Wolf Marks as an excuse to be uncooperative.
- Like Selli pointed out, people who think they are the healers' world and start getting irate at the healers when they run in YOLO and are burned in less than 3 seconds for being an easy target.
- People who celebrate and "thank RNGesus" when we get 3-4 tomeliths in our backyard. I suppose this is more of an eyeroll at the ignorance though.
- People who take it personally when another GC sandwiches us when in reality it was, tactically, probably their best course of action.

[keepitshay]

I really hate when you get a bad start in a match and everyone is like, "Nope!!! Can't win now!!!!! We are 200 pts behind!!!" and they give up. It's like, the match literally just started? I have had many matches where there is a huge comeback even in the last couple moments.