so their is no point in playing some jobs?

[Craiger]

i usually jump around between different classes on three characters that i have, to kill the monotony of grinding one character, so that is why its taken me so long to get to 60. But i at least want to play my monk or astrologin in end game so i might focus more on them. That is good to know that some of the jobs aren't bad at end game content though cause i hear more complaints about the class especially about PLD's DPS. As for DPS jobs people say that Dragoon has the best burst damage, but i believe Monk is pretty good as well

You have to drop the thinking of any job being far behind. While people do act and speak like there is a huge gap between some jobs, there really isn't that many cases of jobs being significantly behind.

There have been some cases in the past, like DRG falling behind when NIN came to the game, and SMN having massive mana issues in 2.4... but otherwise, what you've seen since 3.0, have been because of 3 new jobs, which will always create problems. Those problems have been fixed some time back, and now there is no job that is useless or anything.

I don't know who have told you BRD is broken... because the best raid group there is, used one, and trust me, they test every job there is. You have to have a BRD or a MCH in your group, and BRD is more desired than MCH most of the time(not because they're better), so your statement couldn't be more wrong.

NIN is another job that was picked for the best group out there, and 2.36% increase in DPS that MNK got, didn't really change that much. If you have problems with lag, then NIN can be annoying, and it can affect your DPS some, but that's not NIN being bad, that's a problem with connection.

PLD is the only one of those 3 that there are some grounds of discussion, and I would say PLD is behind DRK and WAR, but that's more down to how Alex Savage have been designed, and we're not talking about any huge differences either.

All in all, you can pick any job in the game and still bring something to your group

[Neela]

So should i even bother leveling up these jobs since they appear to be gimp in end game content. Or do they do fine in those raids and just a few people are having problems? If i should avoid these classes are their any other classes i should avoid that don't perform will in end game?

1. Like others said before play the class(es) you like and dont care about any discussions or whiners
2. Top-Tier classes will rotate with upcoming patches - there are always classes which lag behind until they got buffed or others nerfed.

^__^ Y

[Egnasya]

It's always a matter of perspective. You'll always find someone telling you that or that class is not worth playing, and in their line of thinking that might even be correct. However, the problem arises when tiny factions of the community - like the guys who clear all the high difficulty encounters world / server / region / whatever first - start setting rules for others, and those others begin to adapt to these rules mindlessly. Maybe Paladins and Bards fall behind in savage Alex, maybe Ninja gets ditched because Mudra problems. But you and your group might not even be in a situation similar enough so that these problems still matter. One fundamental difference by the way is that today players already have so much better gear than when Alex Savage started, and those guys cleared it way earlier, with way less gear than what your Paladin or Bard wear today. Think about that for a second.

But the real question is, do these rules set up by other affect you, do they affect your group? You see, nobody considers if all the other guys playing "viable" classes even play them to their full potential. You may very well have an excellent Bard who beats your sub-par other DPS, can you really say the Bard is the problem? Or if your group DPS is by far enough to beat an encounter but you keep wiping to mechanics and mistakes, is the Paladin's DPS really the problem? Does your Ninja even have lag issues, because I certainly don't have them, I have no problems doing Mudras correctly 100% of the time. What we need to do is to get rid of that mindset, to stop copying what players far out of our reach do, and start adapting to the real problems that our very own group faces - and generalizing stuff like this isn't going to solve any of that.

We help exactly nobody by tell them "you shouldn't play PLD / BRD / NIN / whatever cuz it's not good", all that is achieved by this is that you alienate fellow players. Maybe even drive them away, make them stay away permanently from difficulty content. And that really has the potential to become a massive problem for everyone in the future. Who are we going to play with? Would you rather try your luck and raid with a Paladin, Bard or Ninja, or not raid?

[Pluvia]

I leave the forums for a week and more threads like this pop up
PLD- It could use a few changes but overall its fine
NIN- yea mudra lag can make it frustrating to play but otherwise they're pretty much fine just a few QoL issues
BRD- broken in the same sense of ninja bloodletter and straighter shot procs don't work that great with the cast times otherwise they're good and needed ind raids

[HoodRat]

PLD just lack bit dps compared other tanks especially in tanking stance. That is why ppl cry about it.

I think the problem with PLD people have is that the dps gap is significant when in tank stance whereas the dps in dps stance is fine, and they almost always have to be in tank stance in savage because they have the lowest enmity modifiers. And that just brings up the question as to why people are all like "hur dur paladin has shield it has to be mt."

[Khalithar]

Don't play brd, can't comment.

For pld, SE (for whatever reason) designed the savage content in a way that doesn't really work with pld's toolkit, it sucks, but they are going to fix that in future content going forward. Hopefully that doesn't mean only physical tank busters where only pld/war can survive!

For nin, yes mudra lag is (highly) irritating, but the class does have other advantages. Goad, smoke screen, and shadewalker are very nice abilities to have and are wholly unique to ninja. Even with the mudra lag nin is a solid dps class with plenty of utility. Also it's a ninja, that automatically makes it awesome. :P

[RiceisNice]

If it means anything, they said they were going to address ninja's mudras lag, and they have taken note of PLD's under performance in the current design of the content. No mention of addressing BRD's problems though.

[Subucnimorning]

Interested how they will handle the mudra situation. I originally mained NIN but it's too frustrating to deal with that type of lag to where you can't efficiently use your abilities. NIN is really fun besides that though!

[Werhusky]

You forgot:

AST- is weak
WHM - lacks DPS
SCH - lacks heals
DRK - has MP issues
WAR - is squishy to heal compared to other tanks
MCH - is just horribly weak
MNK - looses stacks
DRG - too much skills
BLM - broke due to Enochian
SMN - looses stacks

And now seriously I wouldn't say any job is bad all raids have some preferred raid setup... I know how often people go WTF even on primals with 2 sch "shields don't stack"... Progression has "ideal" setups but they also depend on all other jobs you have and I wouldn't want to miss my bard with Foes just for me DPSing heal <3

[Jonnycbad]

Anyone who told you NIN and BRD are gimped at end game is an idiot.
PLD lacks magic damage reduction like DRK which SE stupidly designed almost all tank busters in Alex Savage around so PLD falls short in their CDs specifically against magic damage but yes DRK does have more dps even while in their tanking stance due to Darkside.

Why do people keep saying this? DRK has only 1 CD for magic. PLD's CDs work for physical and magical.