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[RiisWolf]

@OP: If you want to learn tanking go with PLD - you only have 2 combos, one for enimity one for refilling MP and the cds you get are all defensive except one. You can't really go wrong there. . .

A lot can go wrong actually.
1) the tank gets silly ideas and use riot blade combo only. For DPS.
2) The tank is not confident in MP management to the point that they are quick to use riot blade to stay above 85% when they never get below 90% long before the fight is even over (or at the start of the fight)
3) The tank gets silly ideas and instead of using flash multiple times, loses agro on the main target and more because he kept switching targets to strike them individually.
4) Follows the "flash twice" trend like a robot; fails to understand more has to be done, especially when a (competent) summoner is there and/or when nobody is marking.
5) Fails to understand that switching targets constantly confuses DPS.
6) Fails to understand provoke is not safe to pull with because it does nothing more than facepull. Shield lob to get a better hold on things.
7) I've seen one newbie go through the manor at level 29 not knowing she had Rage of Halone, and nobody(cept me) bothered to try to get her to do it right.
8) Summoners always AoE
9) Fast forward to 50, and look at that they don't know to use flash AND circle of scorn together.
10) Then watch as their only claim to fame never be used, ever.
11) Fails to understand power is needed. Not for DPS, but for threat. Otherwise, someone else is going to be the tank.
12) Fails to understand just how much of the staying alive part is the healer. Especially when a black mage (or someone else) is the tank.
13) Takes things for granted only to be killed by the Ascian right at triple. Fails to learn from his mistake and gets creamed again for the same reason. Everytime I've been there, the paladin dies because of this.
14) Takes things for granted.
15) Rather than Shield lobbing, they will instead run in to finish a combo. Resulting in a messy pull.
16) Takes things for granted, never really understanding the DPS's part in this. Good DPS, unfortunately make your threat an issue. Incompetent DPS, makes your long and easy. If you are underpowered, then both ways end with a slower run, because the Bad DPS are slow and the Good DPS gets mauled.
17) Fails to understand how Provoke works. You don't just use it and think it's the end of that.
18) Remember when some silly fools con'd some poor PLDs into thinking riot blade is a DPS combo and use for more damage? Fast forward to 60, and look at that, they're using RA instead of halone and they wonder why the DRG is tanking the tank's target.
19) Cross Class mayhem
20) You have the lowest threat multipliers of all tanks. Not because you deal weak damage. Get that silly thought out your head. All other tanks have better threat multipliers than you.
21) NOW think about how much stronger they are to you.
22) Inept at AoE damage before 50. After 50, you move up to practically inept at AoE damage.
23) Sword Oath. Look at everyone else.

That's not all. But I'm done writing this list. Also Sword Oath.
It's not to say a lot of warriors and dark knight don't do a lot of the same things.

[Alisi]

8) Summoners always AoE

LIES! ALL LIES! What is this AOE you speak of? I know not what you talk about. /cough

[Magistrella]

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All i read is: bla bla bla

bad tank is bad, no matter what class he is - and even as pld you wont loose aggro against anyone else then another tank if you use your brain

Stop being a pretentious "OMG WHY PLD" person - WAR/DRK players have to pay way more attention to what they are doing and are more complicated then a pld for a beginner

Jesus

@OP - Pick w/e you like, don't listen to the "Aggro sucks on PLD" (because i did and am just doing fine in every content) - but as i said, easiest to learn tanking is pld because its basically 1 2 3 (throw in some cd if you like) on bosses - and "4 4 4 (read: Flash)" on AoE pulls + mana fillup after - and yes, that was lvl 50 content for paladin for a long time :P

[RiisWolf]

bad tank is bad, no matter what class he is - and even as pld you wont loose aggro against anyone else then another tank if you use your brain

Stop being a pretentious "OMG WHY PLD" person - WAR/DRK players have to pay way more attention to what they are doing and are more complicated then a pld for a beginner

Oh here we go.
That's not true at all.
All warrior has to do is, get all the things in front of him, spam OP and his job is done. Maim is needed to be optimal, but it's by no means a must because it is NOT a threat skill. Opening with Maim is like saying "herp derp don't mind me, I'm boosting my damage" while the rest of the party gets mauled. (don't confuse this with being killed, cause unless the healer is also inadequate, nobody's going to die in lower level content) If you have to for a single moment THINK about when to use wrath in trash then you are clearly overthinking it. There is no reason to save it.

DRK may have more to look out for, namely their MP, but their threat modifiers, damage, and darkside makes threat so trivial that you'd be bad for the sole fact that you WON'T use unmend/unleash/dark passenger and whatever. Pretend it's like dragoon if it rocks your boat. Just hit them all, and you can spam soul eater combos all you want.

PLD has the weakest threat modifiers AND weakest damage. You have to do more. Many are deluded that their barely decent job is good job when a lot of the time, the DPS is either clueless, incompetent, fumbling about, broken, or not good for that situation. And oh boy you're in for a rude wake up call when someone powerful AND competent enters the scene, especially when you get to 30 where most everyone got a massive power up and all you get is shield swipe and sword oath. So get ready to learn why your simple skills aren't working because the real difficulties is the system behind it, not simple controls. Geeze it's just like telling this to someone who thinks 2.0's tanking was the "bestest thing in FF14", even though they needed to be patch buffed the most times. It hasn't been a whole expansion before needing threat patches AGAIN! And man as much as peeps scream that this is the easiest class there sure are tons of players freaking out over MP. And how is constantly switching targets a simpler thing than using threat AoEs. . .? And oh geeze I "wonder" what silly junk you'll be writing. And I cannot count how many times where I came in as DPS and took over tanking.

Let's not forget what 3.0 did with the level sync. Making it harder on new jobs because now everyone is leveled down to high quality levels instead of normal, that means the better geared DPS are even stronger than before.

And I'm not going to bother with this type of comment again.

[Disc]

All warrior has to do is, get all the things in front of him, spam OP and his job is done. Maim is needed to be optimal, but it's by no means a must because it is NOT a threat skill. Opening with Maim is like saying "herp derp don't mind me, I'm boosting my damage" while the rest of the party gets mauled. (don't confuse this with being killed, cause unless the healer is also inadequate, nobody's going to die in lower level content) If you have to for a single moment THINK about when to use wrath in trash then you are clearly overthinking it. There is no reason to save it.

The combos involving Maim do not have enmity multipliers. If a PLD would struggle holding hate in a party, it would be torn away from a WAR trying to get Maim up in the same party.

DRK may have more to look out for, namely their MP, but their threat modifiers, damage, and darkside makes threat so trivial that you'd be bad for the sole fact that you WON'T use unmend/unleash/dark passenger and whatever. Pretend it's like dragoon if it rocks your boat. Just hit them all, and you can spam soul eater combos all you want.

DRK threat modifier is high on Power Slash, a closer on a combo that does not restore MP. That is why it generates so much threat with the Dark Arts buff, DRK spends most of it's time spamming non-enmity combos. Unleash & Unmend are on par with their PLD counterparts. The major difference being Unleash does damage instead of a high potency blind, enmity modifiers on Flash make up for it. Truth be told, both Flash & Overpower have been buffed so much an untrained monkey could tank any dungeon flawlessly these days.

PLD has the weakest threat modifiers AND weakest damage.

This is only an issue on raid bosses for reasons unknown to you.

Geeze it's just like telling this to someone who thinks 2.0's tanking was the "bestest thing in FF14", even though they needed to be patch buffed the most times.

PLD was fine in 2.0, WAR was broken in Turn 5 because it did not have mitigation abilities. Enmity was never an issue for either with a competent player, but they were buffed anyways to help the lowest common denominator.

et's not forget what 3.0 did with the level sync. Making it harder on new jobs because now everyone is leveled down to high quality levels instead of normal, that means the better geared DPS are even stronger than before.

Higher level gear is synced to the dungeons base level. Dungeon gear & appropriate HQ gear available will often be better now.

[LeeraSorlan]

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Pld has absolutely nothing wrong with it pre lvl 50.It could do better sure, but what it does is more than enough, if you honestly had aggro problems while leveling pld (even after lvl 50) then you might want to properly check how you 1 2 3, because it seems you arent that good.


If you didnt have aggro problems, then grats, you should realize pld is fine to level with and it is the simplest tank.


Plds issue lies soley in dps, a thing thats only highly required in lv 60 raids. Aggro as a pld is NOT an issue unless you are A) Bad. B) undergeared. C) the other tank is directly fighting for aggro.
You are giving bad advice simply because you dont like pld or you arent good on pld or w/e, but no. Everything youve said is wrong and is in the extreme of over exaggeration