The issue nobody wants to address

[OPneedNerfs]

People have the right to play how they want. That is inclusive of people doing low dps and also inclusive of people deciding not to group with those players.

It's a 2 way street that too many forget when they whine about getting removed from parties for bad performance.

[Zeonx]

Because I don't like parsers and you want a reason.

I've been in a Party where the tank says he out DPS someone by 10 damage but he dies, healer dies and I die and the player survives because whm cant heal or mp ran out, then the person with parser begins to attack people with cuss words and telling them they are worthless and not a good player and keeps going on and on until the player says something in defense and ends up getting kicked out.

Not only parsers cause people to have a god complex but it gives them attitudes bad ones, of course the ones who do use it like this will come in and quote me saying they don't do this, yeah im sure because you'll protect the image behind parser so that SE reconsiders its approval.

I also seen one person in PF join a party and say he uses it and ragged on everyone which was supposed to be a non stop run and everyone didn't like his attitude and we all left his PF and said its all good don't need this drama.

I said it before once, I run into that again, I'll use my ps4 to record it just to show you how people use parsers against someone and attack them mentally.


Though I am sure there are some players out there who do use it correctly and I am not talking about you, basically talking about the ones who miss use the tool for wrong reasons. Which causes drama in the party, I rather die in the party than watch two people screaming at each other.

[Eylirria]

People are going to continue using parsers.
You can continue to stick your head in the sand but they aren't going to go away.

[Iromi]

The fact that some people cling to a parser like its their ego when it can't even process the data properly (I am friend with the creator, and he told me it STILL can't and never will be able to read dots properly) is comical to me.

When they start trying to talk about DPS, and how low mine and my BF DPS is when our mob was dying way faster...it was all I could do to not fall out of my chair laughing.

[Gilraen]

I don't think there's too many that care enough about parser users to want to force them to stop using them. The problem is when those that do use them wave it in the faces of those who don't want to. Many console players play on consoles to get away from third party software, I know I do. I do have a a PC version registration but I can't stand playing on PC. So it's only natural when an uppity parser user starts getting in people's faces that there's going to be backlash. You don't ever hear about the decent parser users because they're being decent parser users, who would complain about that? People rarely post on forums to be constructive, just have to look at... any event that's transpired recently. Thread after thread of complaint after complaint. Noone's really asking for parsers to go away, just don't get those not interested involved. You don't need a parser to help players improve, just need to be observant.

[Odett]

We wouldn't need to have this thread if we had content with rewards that enticed a larger portion of the playerbase to improve their play.



If that's what it takes to get people to at the very least read tooltips and think about how the mechanics of the job they play works because SE sure as hell won't encourage people to do that at any point during leveling or during any part of the main scenario (or any side stories either for that matter).

I get what you're trying to say with your second point, but there's a bit of a flaw with your first. The problem is that people would either not do the content at all, or just QQ on the forums until it gets nerfed. You can stick as much gear in a fight as you want, but if players don't wanna do that content, they won't do it either way (look at Alexander Savage).

You could argue that you could tune Expert dungeons to be more punishing if DPS checks aren't met (like less capsules in the 2nd Fractal Boss, or faster-moving ads for the the last boss, but (in my opinion, at least) what really needs to change is our overall attitude towards players who aren't where they should be. You get skills very slowly in this game as you level compared to other MMO's, but that's because they're all meant to give you time to get used to them and realize that your repertoire slowly builds upon itself. Players should be encouraged from the get-go to read and use their skills. Whether that can be improved by going back to lower level dungeons and instilling actual DPS checks and such, I'm not sure, maybe that's a good idea.

It's nice that this community is one of the friendliest MMO communities there are, but it's really not cool either to see a lv 60 DPS not knowing what the hell they're doing, and saying it's ok. I mean, sure, if you got a sucky player for your dungeon and your skills were enough to make up for lack of theirs, that's great and congrats on your clear, but that player is just gonna go to other parties and do the same thing because no one has told them that they're playing in a way that hinders the group. You got Heavy Thrust at level 12. Why are you still not using it 48 levels later? How can I expect you to grasp the concept of your fourth tier combo skills as well as expect you to keep up all your buffs, debuffs, and DoTs if you can't even grasp the concept of Heavy Thrust? The game can't hold your hand for everything. It can't highlight every single skill for you. Players should be more encouraged to read guides about their jobs or ask those willing to help about their jobs outside of a duty.

We either need revamped old content that teaches DPS players the importance of their jobs, or better-crafted lv 60 dungeons that aren't easy as hell to get through. As long as so much of this game's content makes DPS players think that them playing less than mediocre is a courtesy to their group members instead of a requirement like healers and tanks have to do, then fights like BisEX will never stop being a PuG nightmare.

[Gilraen]

We also need to quash this idea that players only come in two flavors, sub-par and 'hardcore raider'. I may not be a 'hardcore raider' but I don't run dungeons using just Heavy Shot either. I know, and use all my actions when they feel appropriate and am open to critique so long as that critique doesn't start with, "Your DPS that run was X, you should be totally pulling Y." I'm sure alot of people would be open to critique that doesn't involve being told what their numbers are before even one question was asked. If someone WANTS to know their numbers then feel free to tell them, they asked and that's what matters.

[Hayward]

We also need to quash this idea that players only come in two flavors, sub-par and 'hardcore raider'. I may not be a 'hardcore raider' but I don't run dungeons using just Heavy Shot either. I know, and use all my actions when they feel appropriate and am open to critique so long as that critique doesn't start with, "Your DPS that run was X, you should be totally pulling Y." I'm sure alot of people would be open to critique that doesn't involve being told what their numbers are before even one question was asked. If someone WANTS to know their numbers then feel free to tell them, they asked and that's what matters.

This false dichotomy is the only reason threads like this come up. A lot of players--more than these "pros" think--are more than capable of performing their jobs and can be open to suggestions on how to improve their performance if approached with the proper respect. The only difference is they don't 1) obsess over their numbers every waking hour of the day, 2) scream obscenities at other party members when things go wrong or when things don't progress as quickly or smoothly as some YouTube celebrity presents them, or 3) start threads in forums claiming X job is useless and should be excluded from endgame content based on rubbish numbers.

[Aomine1992]

Well I think there are so many misunderstandings here in this post.

Yes OP you are completely right in some ways..

Everyone that seems to be an advocate for bads are in fact not advocating for them a lot of us are just saying your deliver is the biggest issue I have only seen this once where another player told someone else that they are willing to help with their rotation and the other person was ecstatic about it...

What we forget is it's embarrassing beyond belief to get called out and also the fact that you arnt doing as well as you thought...so "git gud scrub", your holding us back, your making the dung longer, or you need to work on your rotations can easily trigger retaliation on their part which is where you get the "who pays my sub" or just being ignored.....I see this 99.9% of the Time.

people do like to improve its human nature even if they seem like they don't want to.

[Chiramu]

To the people complaining about parser users, in particular the ones that brag about it in chat. You can report that as harassment. Parsers are acknowledged by the devs but they are not condoned. If someone uses the parser data to harass you you can report them, the harassment report form even asks you to quote from your chat log.

Better to get those parser wankers a temporary ban than to upset yourselves.