Raider to Non-Raider: an exhibition on thoughts and misconceptions

[Rin_Kuroi]

I've noticed the same thing, my linkshells are emptying out, people are quitting, people are leaving server hoping they'll find something better. I personally don't mind the challenge given to us by A3 and A4 but it doesn't take a PhD to see that a lack of a middle ground destroyed a lot of groups motivation.

I'm seeing this a lot. I'm part of a big free company and we only have a few active statics now. We used to have a dozen. It's because we rofl-stomped alex nm then ran into a brickwall with alex savage. Only the most hardcore are still active.

Also, I actually enjoy the Manipulator fight.

[Faeon]

I'm seeing this a lot. I'm part of a big free company and we only have a few active statics now. We used to have a dozen. It's because we rofl-stomped alex nm then ran into a brickwall with alex savage. Only the most hardcore are still active.

Also, I actually enjoy the Manipulator fight.

Agree, when ran into Alex Savage, it killed statics

[Mercutial]

Agree, when ran into Alex Savage, it killed statics

To be honest, I think a lot of the statics that were "killed" were never really raid-ready anyway. Savage was not gated behind the previous top-tier raid, so everyone and their mother decided to group up just because they could. Faust was a rude awakening and a pretty funny troll move by SE.

Not that most of the players were bad per se, but there was certainly more of an opportunity for a bad apple to get into a group for content where a single person cannot be carried (at least out the gate). As a result, turnover ensues. Bonds which may have been fresh to begin with are made even newer - making it easier to abandon groups having less invested in them personally.

[zosia]

To be honest, I think a lot of the statics that were "killed" were never really raid-ready anyway. Savage was not gated behind the previous top-tier raid, so everyone and their mother decided to group up just because they could. Faust was a rude awakening and a pretty funny troll move by SE.

Not that most of the players were bad per se, but there was certainly more of an opportunity for a bad apple to get into a group for content where a single person cannot be carried (at least out the gate). As a result, turnover ensues. Bonds which may have been fresh to begin with are made even newer - making it easier to abandon groups having less invested in them personally.

I partly disagree. There were usually about six groups ahead of ours on my server progression wise. These groups typically killed bosses before and were some of our server's best players. That number has been reduced to three. Those other statics got burnt out and disbanded because it's not fun to progress on the same fight for a month.

People take a break, like it is so often recommended and that player leaving usually is the strand that unravels the whole sweater since it is extremely hard now to replace people if you're progressing on a4s.

Many new HW statics did just run straight into the faust wall, but we have seen other groups that were long standing in ARR just evaporate under the pressure of savage.

I may be wrong but middle of the road raiders probably make up the majority of raiders. It's too bad they are being left out in the cold.

Exactly! Even Elysium in an interview said that this raid might have been tuned too high. They were the world 1st a4s clear, the quote can be seen below. I don't want to link the website directly since it's to playboy, but the article is very easy to find with the google machine.

“Even for the hardcore players most of us feel that Alexander Savage was tuned a little too high,” Gouka admitted. “Maybe something that takes two to three weeks is fine, but when you’re spending an entire month essentially on the same fight it gets a little bit ridiculous.”

edit: I found the tweet that linked the article, so here is a link to elysium's tweet about the article. https://twitter.com/elysiumffxiv/sta...55604715024385