Please release nest Normal and Savage raids at the same time.

[Kosmos992k]

As expected. Your post reeks of elitism. Just reemember it goes both ways, love. That aside, Alexander savage was balanced around i190 gear and some i200 pieces for the first couple of floors. So it's nobody's fault if they wanted to get the gear from the story mode. The issue is the lack of incentive to run Savage mode because it was released at a later date. Please stay on topic.

Elitism? Lol, yeah, right, i'll just take my LVL 53 PLD, and point out it's my best class. Hardly elite or elitist, and befor you claim reverse snobbery, it's got nothing to do with that for me, I am just not content to sit by while people propose to alter the game to suit tem, in ways that are detrimental to the majority of players.

Far from elitism, I'm simply sick and tired of the crying and whining coming from the contingent of 'raiders' who essentially want modifications to Normal/Savage modes of Alexander altered to make things more relevant to them. That is what this topic is about isit not? I replied both to this topic and the thoughts or expressions I have seen in similar topics for the last week. Frankly, it's getting a bit boring to read all the whining from people saying either NM spoiled/ruined Savage, so lets delay NM in future as if that changes anything; or Savage offers no incentive because the gear is not worth the effort.

It's become so very boring to read over and over because it all appears to me to boil down to people who either wore themsrlves out grinding gear in NM Alexander forgetting that it was their choice, or people who claim to want a challenge but then say there is no incentiveror running Alex Savage.

What are you even talking about?
Since when is having ilvl 190 for Savage Alexander overgearing it? Have you even tried the fight? Seen the fight?
I would love anyone to do it without Normal Alexander gear.

Since you only need to complete Normal Mode once to run Savage mode, evry additional time you run Normal mode is a choise you make. It is not mandatory to run Alex Normal to gear up for asavage mode, it's simply a quicker path than accumulating tomes. The point is, you want it now, not later so you choose to grind Alexander Normal for gear.

All I am saying is that requiremend to do Savage Alexander is Alexander Normal gear (later replaced with some Eso and Savage pieces), how can you even speak about overgearing it when the fight has been released on 3.0 and we are still on 3.0.

I wasn't referring to overgearing Alexander I was simply pointing out that the frustration some appear to have is that Alexander Savage is too difficult in their current gear and so they either wait, obtain gear gradually, and then run it when appriopriately geared, or grind Normal mode. Point being that more casual players have had to show anythin up to 18 months of patience so that they are adequately geared (effectively overgearing the content to reduce the difficiculty) to take on coil. Expecting raiders to wait a couple of months to obtain gear adequate for their skill level hardly seems severe by comparison. I'll be rocking gear from 4.X before I can try Alex Savage, should I complain about the length of My gear grind?

EDIT: Or I am completely fine with i190 being requirement for Savage if there are more ways to get i190 than from Alex Normal. ,)
Eso is not an option as having full ESO set would completely postpone any raiding for months.

So, there is in fact an option other than grinding Normal, it just takes toolong for your liking, so you intentionally grind the hell out od NM hoping the RNG completes your gear set for your main job, so you can ,ove on to Savage. But, by your own words, there is an option, but you personally discount it becauseyou don't want to be patient. Thanks for confirming what I was writing about.

[Nutz]

I hope so...

I guess the one thing that I expect will remain the same, but doesn't necessarily have to, is that the next phase of Alexander HM will probably need to be completed at least once to enter Alexander Savage. Presumably, however, raiders interested in Savage should be able to clear those 4 instances and move into Savage straight away (or however long it takes them to clear HM). Inevitably some people will pick up gear upgrades since Alex2 HM will be an upgrade over Alex1 Savage, but those upgrades shouldn't be needed to enter Savage (though for completion I'm sure you'll hit a wall at some point without dipping back into NM/ getting tome gear).

[Nadirah]

You are right, that's why I changed the suggestion a bit to add 1 more gear at the ilvl of Alex Normal, maybe from crafts (unmeldable), that would let us not do Alex Normal.
If there was better gear available people would farm for it and burn themselves out and that is something I haven't though about. So there should be another option to Alex Normal gear that would take maximally the same time to get. It can even have old skins, as we already see in crafts.

I still don't think your problem with Alex was that you had to do it before, but rather the way the loot system worked.

You felt compelled to farm it until you got that one drop from every single boss.

With WoW, you get one shot per week at a boss base. Even in LFR. You can't just keep rerunning it 50 times a week until you get what you want.


What they did add with Mists of Pandaria are a coin system, where you gained them in various ways(dailies, exchanges of other currencies, etc and whatnot) that when spent after a boss kill let you get one more roll on a boss for a drop.


You could only hold up to 10 of the most current ones(you had a new coin type every tier to prevent hoarding), they did not decay if not spent, and you were limited to how many you could get per week. Until WoD, this was 3 per week. With WoD, if you were lucky with your garrison missions you could get 4. And since there were a boatload of bosses, you had to be a bit picky with which bosses you used that coin on. To use additional coins on the same boss though you had to rerun the instance, and most folks didn't bother with that. Most used it on their normal/heroic/mythic whatever kills with their static group rather than LFR.

[Elim]

Higher gear checks =/= challenge. Complex and new mechanics does equal challenge. Gear checks are only there to slow down progression.

Farming normal mode to start savage =/= challenge. Casual or hardcore raider, you'll be farming normal first if it comes out first, because EVERYONE who wants to do savage will get every advantage that they can in order to beat it or beat others to the first clear. That includes crafted jewellery if it's the best way and they can afford it.

Not finding savage thrilling after farming normal mode =/= not being hardcore or that you haven't cleared savage already.

Not sure where some people get their logic here. It seems like some people who haven't actually experienced raiding in this game are trying to pass off their opinions as facts.

I'm not going to ask for the devs to change anything, but I find savage is boring compared to coil(edit to clarify: because I had to farm normal Alex it made it less exciting to clear savage). Also Alex's story in general was meh. We'll see if the story gets better over time...hopefully but I doubt it. I'm a pessimist.

[Nadirah]

I'm not going to ask for the devs to change anything, but savage is boring compared to coil. We'll see if Alexanders story gets better over time...hopefully but I doubt it. I'm a pessimist.

You'd have been tired of coil if you ran it on a faceroll version 50 times in one week hoping and praying you'd get that one drop you needed for the week.

That's why they were "bored" with it. it's not the fights. It's that they did the fight 50 times the first week or two farming the drops.

How many times did you run coil on one character? Now imagine doing that many runs in one or two weeks. Welcome to burnout. Tom's problem.

[StrejdaTom]

Snip

Well I tried to alter the entering into Alexander Savage without actually touching the Alexander Normal, I quoted some ideas but I have said they aren't what I request.
Still you are here defending something I haven't even tried to take from you and reacting like I have hurt you while I am just trying to suggest a fix for something that seems to be bad idea in my opinion.

EDIT: I understand you are tired and bored of it. Well, I will be tired and bored if I will have to run Alexander Normal 2 to be able to clear Alexander Savage 2 and now is the perfect time to make suggestions when there is still enough time for change.
And there is no way to see if I am selfish or if I am suggesting something that other people want untill I put it on forums and get their reactions.

I am trying to suggest something that will have impact only on Savage Raiders and won't take from others. Shamefully the most vocal people against this are those who don't even raid, which kinda makes me surprised, considering it doesn't affect them at all (on the other hand some other suggestions did, but this is not one of them or I am atleast trying to achieve that).

EDIT2: 1. You should probably reconsider your attitude or take a break from forums if you cannot discuss with people without constantly acting like you are disgusted with them.
2. Having to either farm the same fight or wait X months for ESO caps seems to be like a bad design idea than a wise choice.
3. Last time I have checked top raid teams they had crafted chest + accessories and rest from Alex Normal. So this choice you are talking about doesn't really exist, Alexander Normal is always there, you just have hard time admitting you aren't right. That is my reply to your next post because I have a limit.

EDIT3: I appreciate the turn this topic took in the end and I am glad for the suggestions, I quoted you in the original post (hope you don't mind it), as your suggestion is really nice.

[Elim]

You'd have been tired of coil if you ran it on a faceroll version 50 times in one week hoping and praying you'd get that one drop you needed for the week.

That's why they were "bored" with it. it's not the fights. It's that they did the fight 50 times the first week or two farming the drops.

How many times did you run coil on one character? Now imagine doing that many runs in one or two weeks. Welcome to burnout. Tom's problem.

Yes I know. I've posted before(not in this thread, of course) I found clearing savage alex floors boring because I've had to run it in normal.

[AdamFyi]

Snip.

Then don't stoop down to their level (which you did).

If I understood the OP correctly, they are only requesting that Savage be released together with Story mode, and be more focused on player skill rather than gear checks. This is where you went off-topic; you did not address the topic, rather, you attacked the opinions of others. Big no-no there. If you really can't keep a cool head in a discussion, then you shouldn't say a smidgen.

[Selli]

Elitism? Lol, yeah, right...

I think what he meant was; you have an opinion? Great. But does it have to bleed with so much disgusting attitude?

Your first post is nothing but negative and rude, I'm not surprised someone got upset over it. It is completely possible for you to have made your point without all the sass and attitude.

This isn't the first thread you've posted in where this has happened. Please chose your words more carefully and respectfully. We're all people here.

[StrejdaTom]

Then don't stoop down to their level (which you did).

If I understood the OP correctly, they are only requesting that Savage be released together with Story mode, and be more focused on player skill rather than gear checks. This is where you went off-topic; you did not address the topic, rather, you attacked the opinions of others. Big no-no there. If you really can't keep a cool head in a discussion, then you shouldn't say a smidgen.

Thanks for the understandment and yeah, I have quoted these people to show that I am not the only person dissatisfied or burned out with Alexander.
I also stated that these are not my opinions.