Please release nest Normal and Savage raids at the same time.

[OPneedNerfs]

Make raid-level gear available only through tomes and raiding, gets blasted for not easing up on access to better gear to help ilvl gating.

Give people a choice to do content for gear to help supplement raid-level tome gear to help with raiding, gets blasted for "making it boring".

SE can never please everyone.

[StrejdaTom]

Make raid-level gear available only through tomes and raiding, gets blasted for not easing up on access to better gear to help ilvl gating.

Give people a choice to do content for gear to help supplement raid-level tome gear to help with raiding, gets blasted for "making it boring".

SE can never please everyone.

Anyone who thinks that doing content for months and then repeating it again with a few new mechanics is not boring deserves to get blasted.
Sorry but A1,2s can be done completely on autopilot and is probably even more boring than Normal Mode (so spamming normal mode before even doing it really doesn't help), A3s is the first turn that is really entertaining and in my opinion on savage difficulty.

I am just trying to find a solution for fact that we currently have to replace people every 2 weeks to even get to A4s, because everyone seems to be leaving raiding..

[Hyrist]

Anyone who thinks that doing content for months and then repeating it again with a few new mechanics is not boring deserves to get blasted.
Sorry but A1,2s can be done completely on autopilot and is probably even more boring than Normal Mode, A3s is the first turn that is really entertaining and in my opinion on savage difficulty.

I am just trying to find a solution for fact that we currently have to replace people every 2 weeks to even get to A4s, because everyone seems to be leaving raiding..

That may have to do more with the Raids themselves and the fact that they require heavy scheduling formatting. It seems people got a taste of what casually raiding is like, and prefer it to hardcore raiding.

[StrejdaTom]

That may have to do more with the Raids themselves and the fact that they require heavy scheduling formatting. It seems people got a taste of what casually raiding is like, and prefer it to hardcore raiding.

I don't know but most reasons I hear from people (they have usually done coil in 2.X) are "the fight is too boring" or "this is nothing like coil, coil felt new".
For me personally the finding people all the time is worse than the whole fight.

[Saccharin]

I don't know but most reasons I hear from people (they have usually done coil in 2.X) are "the fight is too boring" or "this is nothing like coil, coil felt new".
For me personally the finding people all the time is worse than the whole fight.

This is also an excuse people use in WoW and they have three difficulties with Mythic one week after the other and a story mode (LFR) but it's usually because people get stuck in progression or people aren't the number one dps they used to be.

If you had progress on a reasonable schedule then I'd bet your raiders would not leave. Currently you are hitting a brick wall and the less dedicated of you have just decided to give up rather than try and find a way to do it.

Your response is to essentially lower the recommended ilevel and nerf it that way making it easier for the people who left.

I stand by and you have proven my initial point.

PS, Coil was the first raid, maybe even the first raid for some players and they'll never get that feeling back, ever.

[Airget]

Anyone who thinks that doing content for months and then repeating it again with a few new mechanics is not boring deserves to get blasted.
Sorry but A1,2s can be done completely on autopilot and is probably even more boring than Normal Mode (so spamming normal mode before even doing it really doesn't help), A3s is the first turn that is really entertaining and in my opinion on savage difficulty.

I am just trying to find a solution for fact that we currently have to replace people every 2 weeks to even get to A4s, because everyone seems to be leaving raiding..

They don't force you to do the content, you do it yourself, if it's not fun, do other things, people act like FFXIV is the only game ever to exist ever in the world and there aren't any other options other than twiddling thumbs and that's just silly.

You don't have to play the game all the time all the time all the time and yet that's how these people act, they get bored doing the same thing over and over, of course it's natural anyone would get bored, guess what, step back, do something else, play another game, buy an indie game, go out, play a sport, do something else, watch netflix, go to the movies, do something else other than have this weird obligation that you are being forced to play this content you are clearly bored with.

It's not on SE to say "Hey you should stop playing this content after 20 times if you get bored" it's your own responsibility to realize, hey I'm not really in the mood to do this maybe I should do something else.

[StrejdaTom]

They don't force you to do the content, you do it yourself, if it's not fun, do other things, people act like FFXIV is the only game ever to exist ever in the world and there aren't any other options other than twiddling thumbs and that's just silly.

If you wanted to do Savage when it came out, you had to do normal. So yes, if you wanted to do Savage, you were forced. Doesn't matter how you call it.

EDIT: I meant that you had to farm it to be geared.

[Nadirah]

I am just trying to find a solution for fact that we currently have to replace people every 2 weeks to even get to A4s, because everyone seems to be leaving raiding..

The reasons I've been given is simply "savage is boring" and "savage is too brutal".

My friend's static, that I've had to fill in for a few times now, has a few folks that barely have time to get on much less farm tomes. They're behind a bit in gear. One of them is a college student that's cramming for exams right now. Most of them are bored in general.

Savage isn't exciting. You don't need story to be exciting. You don't need a completely different raid to be exciting.

Just completely adding one or two entirely new mechanics does wonders for a fight. You know, mechanics that need to be performed and not mechanics that wipe your raid if you can't perform a DPS check.

Things like the sniper adds on Nazgrim(Mythic), who aim at your healers and will one shot them if people don't kill them immediately.
Things like Horridon in Throne of Thunder(Heroic), which spawns a pink ghostly Direhorn add that focuses on a single player that only they can see. You hit the one that's focused on you with a ranged spell or ability, if it reaches you, you die in one hit.
Or Garrosh(Mythic), where there's an entire 4th phase to the fight that doesn't exist on Heroic, Normal, or LFR.

Those fights didn't get "old" after a few weeks.

They got "old" because that raid was the last one we had added to the expansion(in the case of Nazgrim and Garrosh) and we ran it for over a year.

And I know a lot of folks that did not kill anything in Heroic Throne of Thunder.

[KarstenS]

Savage isn't exciting. You don't need story to be exciting. You don't need a completely different raid to be exciting.

Thats not correct. One big motivation ouf our raidgroup was to see "whats happening next" and we tried as good as we could to keep every kind of spoiler away from us before we set our own virtual foots into it.

Alex completely destroyed that. We did know the whole story and we did know all the bosses and most of whats happening 2 weeks before savage got released.

We could not keep away from normal mode, as it is part of the gear progression and finishing A4 normal is a direct requirement for unlocking savage (beside Ultima HM).

Since you only need to complete Normal Mode once to run Savage mode, evry additional time you run Normal mode is a choise you make.

No. Its not. The reason is called Best In Slot stats.

You can't start over into savage with pieces of one single item set, because not every piece has usefull stats for that class and there are important stats, like accuracy, of which you have to meet a specific cap.

It has always been and will ever be mandatory to mix up gearsets for best possible stats.