Please release nest Normal and Savage raids at the same time.

[Saccharin]

This is the problem with the so-called 'hardcore' - they aren't really 'hardcore'. If you feel you're hardcore and need to do normal just for that little bit of an advantage then that's your problem.

If you're not 'hardcore' then... don't do it and wait!

[StrejdaTom]

This is the problem with the so-called 'hardcore' - they aren't really 'hardcore'. If you feel you're hardcore and need to do normal just for that little bit of an advantage then that's your problem.

If you're not 'hardcore' then... don't do it and wait!

Thanks for your constructive criticism and serious effort trying to improve the situation.

Even the world first groups haven't done savage in i180 gear, most probably because it is not optimised for such low ilevel and wouldn't be doable. What is so not-hardcore about it? (If I remember right they were also gated on A4s by gear and had to gear up a bit to be able to clear it, so I would really love to hear how not doing it in ilvl 180 - which was kinda the max you could get without Normal Alexander - is not hardcore)

A3s was serious challenge before our first kill and it wasn't even about ilevel, so lower ilevel optimalisation wouldn't even be a problem. A1/2 were different stories though, without ilevel gates people would breeze trough them in 1 day. It was SE's decision to make it like that to slow the progression at the expense of fun. Is really asking for raid that doesn't relly on its lower version gear so much?

It was just a matter of time before someone like you showed here, one rant thread probably isn't enough, right?

EDIT: Also I am not sure what is your experience with Alexander Savage considering I haven't seen a single A1S item on you , but I would strongly suggest actually doing these fights or checking on teams who have done them before commenting on their item level requirements. Because right here

If you feel you're hardcore and need to do normal just for that little bit of an advantage then that's your problem.

you have described every raid team in this game at this moment. There is a difference between advantage and necessity.

[Rin_Kuroi]

Having to grind Normal mode for several weeks to get gear for Savage Mode is real profit-killer.
And it definitely doesn't help you not getting bored, it is the other way around to be honest.

Yep and heavenward forbid you change jobs to help your raid group (ie rerolling brd to help fill that slot). You're month+ behind because of the alex nm grind and eso grind (even if you're just changing jobs in the same role).

[Saccharin]

Thanks for your constructive criticism and serious effort trying to improve the situation.

Even the world first groups haven't done savage in i180 gear, most probably because it is not optimised for such low ilevel and wouldn't be doable. What is so not-hardcore about it? (If I remember right they were also gated on A4s by gear and had to gear up a bit to be able to clear it, so I would really love to hear how not doing it in ilvl 180 - which was kinda the max you could get without Normal Alexander - is not hardcore)

A3s was serious challenge before our first kill and it wasn't even about ilevel, so lower ilevel optimalisation wouldn't even be a problem. A1/2 were different stories though, without ilevel gates people would breeze trough them in 1 day. It was SE's decision to make it like that to slow the progression at the expense of fun. Is really asking for raid that doesn't relly on its lower version gear so much?

It was just a matter of time before someone like you showed here, one rant thread probably isn't enough, right?

EDIT: Also I am not sure what is your experience with Alexander Savage considering I haven't seen a single A1S item on you , but I would strongly suggest actually doing these fights or checking on teams who have done them before commenting on their item level requirements. Because right here you have described every raid team in this game at this moment. There is a difference between advantage and necessity.

There's nothing wrong with the current situation but rather you don't want to do normal but want Savage essentially nerfed.

If you're going for world first then you will be doing it in lower level gear it's just how these things work out. Getting world first can be all about perseverance and lucky gear drops. Tuning isn't supposed to be made for 'world first' free companies.

I didn't rant, you however... I touched a nerve I think.

If you'd done a little more research on me you'd have noticed I recently posted that I had just completed Alex normal this weekend. I gave up raiding in WoW mainly because of all this nonsense, part of the reason I play FF14 because it's NOT a raiding game. People like you treat it as such but at it's heart it's not because very few people will actually attempt Alex Savage.

Is it a race if you're the only one competing?

[Kosmos992k]

All the tears from the so called hard core raiders are amazing to me. Crying about grinding normal for gear to run savage...aw sorry you can't just walk into the top tier raid.

To be blunt, YOU choose to grind gear in savage. There are other gearing options, but they require a bit more patience than you are willing to show. Oh, but you'll whine that the story in normal mode is the same as Savage and once you've seen it in Normal there is no more incentive to run Savage...except that it sure as hell seems to me that if seeing the story once destroys your incentive to run savage, you'll only ever run it once anyway. Except of course that's not the case since you'll want the gear, minion, mount and title to show how great you are.

So really what is the complaint? Perhaps you are just too impatient to gear up more gradually, and find Savage too difficult without tip-top gear. In which case welcome to the world of every 'casual' player looking at Coil, knowing they'll need HW gear and the echo to get through. How does it feel to be faced with content you're not good enough to beat without mechanically over gearing it?

I think this boils down to Savage being hard enough that even 4 different carrots on a stick are insufficient incentive for wannabe raiders to just run the content, so instead they come here to cry about Normal and demand that filthy casuals be locked out of their precious raid content again. When the truth is, the top tier raiders are farming Savage and the intermediate raiders are either just getting on with grinding gear for Savage, or crying in their mead over repitition (the grind) killing their incentive.

All these so called solutions serve to do Is nothing but place intermediate raiders above/ahead of the general population of the game. Perhaps this is when the pro'bro' raider should whisper 'git gud' in your ear?

[Arkenne]

Yep and heavenward forbid you change jobs to help your raid group (ie rerolling brd to help fill that slot). You're month+ behind because of the alex nm grind and eso grind (even if you're just changing jobs in the same role).

And thats where $Alt Characters$ come into play. Please take note of the $$$$

[AdamFyi]

Snip.

As expected. Your post reeks of elitism. Just remember it goes both ways, love. That aside, Alexander savage was balanced around i190 gear and some i200 pieces for the first couple of floors. So it's nobody's fault if they wanted to get the gear from the story mode. The issue is the lack of incentive to run Savage mode because it was released at a later date. Please stay on topic.

[StrejdaTom]

So really what is the complaint? Perhaps you are just too impatient to gear up more gradually, and find Savage too difficult without tip-top gear. In which case welcome to the world of every 'casual' player looking at Coil, knowing they'll need HW gear and the echo to get through. How does it feel to be faced with content you're not good enough to beat without mechanically over gearing it?

What are you even talking about?
Since when is having ilvl 190 for Savage Alexander overgearing it? Have you even tried the fight? Seen the fight?
I would love anyone to do it without Normal Alexander gear.

All I am saying is that requiremend to do Savage Alexander is Alexander Normal gear (later replaced with some Eso and Savage pieces), how can you even speak about overgearing it when the fight has been released on 3.0 and we are still on 3.0.

How can you compare doing Alexander Savage in 3.0 with doing Coil with 3.0 gear and full echo?

EDIT: Or I am completely fine with i190 being requirement for Savage if there are more ways to get i190 than from Alex Normal. ,)
Eso is not an option as having full ESO set would completely postpone any raiding for months.

[Velhart]

Alexander(Normal) needs to be on the level of difficulty similar to Final Coil and Savage needs to be the mode to go all out for the most dedicated hardcore players. Right now Normal is a joke and broke balance and made midcore content pretty much non-existent. Right now the game is slam your head on the keyboard easy or over the top hard. I thought at first Normal was to be that balance, but apparently SE gave in to people wanting a hold my hand baby story mode. Sorry, this is a video game, accept the challenge, deal with the hardships. If you can't, then wait for the echo buff and better gear.

Also yes, Normal and Savage can both come at once, I don't think it makes a difference at the end of the day.

[OPneedNerfs]

Make raid-level gear available only through tomes and raiding, gets blasted for not easing up on access to better gear to help ilvl gating.

Give people a choice to do content for gear to help supplement raid-level tome gear to help with raiding, gets blasted for "making it boring".

SE can never please everyone.