Quote Originally Posted by Berethos View Post
That's the thing...were he meaning to say that it's a different group of beings that are primals and just go by a different name because of their location of origin, he wouldn't be treating them as separate beings. When he says "the term 'eikon' and the beings to which it refers" he's at that point appearing to treat them like they are something different, rather than simply something with a different name. In fact, it seems to suggest, according to the little brat, that the term eikon belongs exclusively to those godlike beings the Allagans encountered...
Actually, treating them as separate beings is exactly what he, and we, would do. Consider in our world's terms.

European settlers originally called this continent "The Americas," but we don't all share the same moniker. "America" encompasses North America and South America, and within those are distinct countries that would probably be insulted to be simply lumped into the same moniker as one another (Ie: Canadians and Americans would never consider each other to be the "same," despite both, technically, being on the American continent). When we travel to foreign countries, the people we meet do not simply call us all "American," or even just "human." They identify us from our country of origin and the name we gave our people in our own language (with varied degrees of pronunciation butchery). They treat us as separate beings.

Normally, I would consider this to be the same in the case of Primals vs. Eikons. There is only one little detail that makes me question it at all.

In the notes, they explicitly state that the Allagans did not have the word "Primal," but instead used the word "Toshin" (God of fighting) which they later relate to another term that seems to link Odin, in particular, to the Warring Triad in some way that we are not yet aware of. As of yet (at least not to my knowledge), we have yet to see the word "Toshin" actually be used in any in game dialogue at all; however, the notes seem to imply that it would be the word used in place of "Primal." Therefore, if the Allagans ran into Titan, they would refer to him as a "Toshin," instead of "Primal."

Here's the catch: The dev's also explicitly stated that the word "Eikon" referred to "Powerful Summons." Given that both the terms "Toshin" and "Primal" refer to "God-like" beings that have been summoned, it is pretty clear that the term simply refers to powerful "Primals" or "Toshins." Which means that Primals and Eikons are the same thing. They're not fundamentally different in any way at all. The only difference (that the dev's have currently made us aware of) is their level of strength.

Therefore:

1. Primal = Toshin

2. Elder Primal = Eikon.


They're the same. He only specifies them as different because of their country of origin, the term used in their resident language, the fact that we have not met any of these Primals yet, and, as you said, that little spawn is a pedantic prick who likes to rub his superior intellect in our faces.