With regards to the possible upcoming housing relinquishments. . . . .

[Naunet]

Not even close, Housing was always intended to be a group collaboration thing and was to encourage player made communities that resembled Root Towns. Instance doesn't accomplish this ideal because it's instanced.

Which is hilarious because there is far more community in the housing systems of games I play that have instanced housing than there has EVER been in FFXIV's housing.

[Babette]

Since housing is very poor in FF XIV, there's no need to instance it, or else we will lose the only good point here.
SE has to implement more areas, so that more players / FC can get their plots. That's all.

[Valaska]

Which is hilarious...

That's funny because I find it the exact opposite! Moghouse etc had absolutely no community in housing communities... Where as ArcheAge and ESPECIALLY DarkfallOnline had very tight knit communities!

In Darkfall Online the housing hamlets often signed Non Aggression pacts with their fellow neighbors and even protection agreements! When my clan attempted to raid a housing area smashing doors in and killing players inside etc to loot their stuff, we quickly found ourselves facing very real opposition of nearly two dozen players! We crushed them as we had nearly sixty people and were able to hit the city from 3 sides overwhelming the players and overrunning the city.

A bunch of them ran into their houses and even tried to hold the houses waiting on the other side of the doors as we siege hammered into it with their neighbors. Tell me for one second that WS has a tenth of that community and you'll be lying lol.

[Kaiser-Ace]

Which is hilarious because there is far more community in the housing systems of games I play that have instanced housing than there has EVER been in FFXIV's housing.

We get it, you've played other games where it worked in THAT WORLD and are a zelotous advocate of instaced housing.

But that's not the goal in FF14. The Devs want the Ward to be Player Root Towns and Cities where they interact with, assist, and socialize with each other just as neighbors would IRL. And Instanced housing does not meet this vision. So it will never be considered. Ever.

[Naunet]

But that's not the goal in FF14. The Devs want the Ward to be Player Root Towns and Cities where they interact with, assist, and socialize with each other just as neighbors would IRL. And Instanced housing does not meet this vision. So it will never be considered. Ever.

It can actually, because you can create a system where players can voluntarily connect houses into their own neighborhoods. The community feeling would be even stronger in that case, because this is a community everyone willingly created. More connection = more participation.

That's funny because I find it the exact opposite! Moghouse etc had absolutely no community in housing communities... Where as ArcheAge and ESPECIALLY DarkfallOnline had very tight knit communities!

I've never played FFXI, but I do know that the housing communities I participate(d) in for Rift and WildStar are incredible, active, creative, and engaged. WS especially, as the system really encourages visiting other people's plots.

[Babette]

Wildstar could not be anything else than instanced plots, since what you can almost do anything you want. I personnaly created a small town in my plot there. You will never see this on FF XIV.
And i can't agree with you Naunet, instanced housing doesn't promote encounters. On wildstar, if you're lucky, you can meet they guy who made the incredible house you are visiting. But most of the time, plots are empty when you visit them.

[Valaska]

Wildstar could not be anything else than instanced plots, since what you can almost do anything you want. I personnaly created a small town in my plot there. You will never see this on FF XIV.
And i can't agree with you Naunet, instanced housing doesn't promote encounters. On wildstar, if you're lucky, you can meet they guy who made the incredible house you are visiting. But most of the time, plots are empty when you visit them.

This is pretty much what I figured, I couldn't see how there would be communities etc unless you were in the same clan but never played it so I didn't comment.

[Naunet]

Wildstar could not be anything else than instanced plots, since what you can almost do anything you want. I personnaly created a small town in my plot there. You will never see this on FF XIV.
And i can't agree with you Naunet, instanced housing doesn't promote encounters. On wildstar, if you're lucky, you can meet they guy who made the incredible house you are visiting. But most of the time, plots are empty when you visit them.

Odd because I've had exactly the opposite experience. I engage with housing enthusiasts regularly outside of the game and inside of the game to share ideas, plots, inspiration. We chat in zone chat. We explore each other's houses, use them for harvesting Circles, or to farm challenges/expeditions. My group of friends regularly interacts across our housing plots, utilizing them for purposes from simply hanging out to popping over for bank access or a mailbox. We keep organized what challenges we have on our plots and help each other find the ones with the rewards we're looking for.And as I'm a roleplayer, there's an even deeper level of community added on top of all that where people have constructed entire zones, buildings, ships - just incredible structures all to serve as settings for rp. And with the upcoming Neighborhood system, I know of a lot of people who are planning to construct even more complex towns and military basis and centers for their guild/friends/whomever. Basically, I've gotten more interpersonal interaction in WS's housing than I ever got in the time I was with an FC with a house in FFXIV.

[Ayerinn]

Odd because I've had exactly the opposite experience. I engage with housing enthusiasts regularly outside of the game and inside of the game to share ideas, plots, inspiration. We chat in zone chat. We explore each other's houses, use them for harvesting Circles, or to farm challenges/expeditions. *SNIP* Basically, I've gotten more interpersonal interaction in WS's housing than I ever got in the time I was with an FC with a house in FFXIV.

Circles in WS make all the difference - Neighborhood system was scraped I thought? maybe it just got delayed?

[Naunet]

Circles in WS make all the difference - Neighborhood system was scraped I thought? maybe it just got delayed?

Nope, not scrapped. Neighborhoods are coming in the drop following drop 6, supposedly. Were supposed to be in for this coming patch, but they pushed it back to work a few more features into the whole thing.

And Circles are basically Linkshells, so FFXIV's already got that framework.