Why does Ysayle want to protect Nidhogg? (spoilers)

[Dalvy]

Speaking of the final two... Has it been said which brood Aiatar came from?

Hmm, with two dead, one insaine, and two more sucumed to grief, what are the final two missing Celestial Dragons like?

It's not beyond immagening in my book that they could be the Auri Dawn Father and Dusk Mother, but what of their mental state?

It seems the Dragons big braging point, their near immortality, is actually their biggest flaw seeing as how 3 of the five living Celestial Dragon have succumed to suvere mental disorders while Midguardsormr him self has decended into a near apathetic state even in regards to his own children.

He cares enough to worry for his son's & daughter's mental wellbeing, but strangely not a word about Hraesvelgr. But yes, Midgardsormr is pretty apathetic. I was under the impression that he deemed Nidhogg a lost cause.

[Kaiser-Ace]

Speaking of the final two... Has it been said which brood Aiatar came from?

Is that the boss from Bryflox Longstop?

If so, I'd think Nidhogg but at the same time Aiatar acts to diffrent to tell.

That and he see him in the same context as Dusk Vigil's Griffon. Simply a "Wtf is that?!?! Omg killi WoL, kill it!!!" With little to no exposition on what it's doing there and why.

[Februs]

For now we can asume that the origin of this conflict started with the allagans, have you ever visit azys la? I think so far we have learned more than enought of the atrosities the allagans have made, it makes kind of a perfect exucse of why dragons dont trust man.

Have you ever been to a Biology Laboratory, Research Facility or a Zoo? lol. It's not much different except the paint job is decidedly more sinister and Azys La has some seriously funky weather... The point is that, for me, I don't automatically assume the Allagans were "evil" by default because of a research facility that was founded with the purpose of efficiently winning a war. It's war. The act itself is terrible and requires speed and efficiency, even at the cost of ethics.

I do get what you're saying, though, and the war with the Allagans certainly would explain Nidhogg's attitude towards Humanoids. It makes me more curious about what happened in that war that might have directly influenced his attitude, specifically. Also, it's true that, as of yet, we don't know of any dragon telling us a baldfaced lie... However, we do know of one dragon whom has had no problem leaving out the truth when it's convenient.

That's more than enough proof for me that dragons are no different than humans when it comes to rewriting history. Ever heard of the saying that "half of writing history is covering it up?" That's exactly what Hraeshvelgr did. There was something he was ashamed/conflicted about, and he left out the details. It's completely understandable because it's something humans do all the time. Dragons are no different.

[Februs]

Speaking of the final two... Has it been said which brood Aiatar came from?



He cares enough to worry for his son's & daughter's mental wellbeing, but strangely not a word about Hraesvelgr. But yes, Midgardsormr is pretty apathetic. I was under the impression that he deemed Nidhogg a lost cause.

I was kinda surprised he didn't play a more active roll in the whole thing. Especially the scene with Tiamat. I was expecting him to smack some sense into her.

I mean, 5000 years of self-pity and never once trying to do something more healthy than stay chained up in Azys La? Allagan Empire is gone. Bahamut was chained up in a moon (though he did escape and blow up a sizable chunk of Eorzea, which, technically, she is also responsible for because she was the one who took up the Ascian's offer), and Nidhogg has been pursuing a war of genocide. She stood to be a symbol for the Dragons. She knows, first hand, how terrible and self destructive war can be when it is taken too far and could have been the unifying figure the Dragons have been lacking since the deaths of Bahamut and Middy (kinda. He was hibernating and is still not in top shape), and yet she is content to stay chained up in solitary confinement.

What does Middy say about all this? Not a darn thing. Way to be the voice of reason, Middy. Good job.

[Frederick22]

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As far as I can see, Middy has never interfer on his childs problem, tipical father of "is my son's problem and im not gonna join him"
We dont know why he was on that lake for so long, but there was a reason, is just we have discovered yet

[Februs]

As far as I can see, Middy has never interfer on his childs problem, tipical father of "is my son's problem and im not gonna join him"
We dont know why he was on that lake for so long, but there was a reason, is just we have discovered yet

I've been assuming that he's just been recovering his power. We know that he's not invulnerable. The Garleans managed to mince up his body with airships, so he's definitely able to be killed/wounded... At least physically. Not sure if he can be completely killed, given he can preform some kind of astral projection out of his own body, but at least we know his body is not invulnerable. I mean, he did explode at some point. I'm guessing it takes some time to recover from that kind of thing...

[Frederick22]

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I dont understand your point, the conflit with the allagans and the dragonsong war happened long before even the gearleans showed up on the lake. He simple wanted to stay on a neutral position and not involve on their sons's issues

[Februs]

I dont understand your point, the conflict with the allagans and the dragonsong war happened long before even the gearleans showed up on the lake. He simple wanted to stay on a neutral position and not involve on their sons's issues

You lost me. What point?

I didn't say his dormancy had anything to do with either the Allagans or the Dragonsong War. His injuries didn't either. Also, before his time recovering on the Lake, we have no information whatsoever about how he regarded his children or what his role in the conflicts were. The only thing we know for certain is that he was the guardian of a place called "Silver Tear Falls" before he was killed by the Garleans. Other than that, there's not much to go on about his attitude.

If anything, the only past information we can go on is his dialogue with the player after we fight him, in which he seems to sympathize with Nidhogg saying : "We do not forget. We do not forgive ... Seven children did I sire. One now singeth of retribution. I rise to join the chorus." Though, since then, his attitude seems to have changed dramatically. Based on how he is acting now, he seems much more apathetic by comparison.

As for why he spent so much time on the lake, I said that I assumed he stayed dormant wrapped around the Garlean Flagship Agrias because he needed to hibernate and recover his power after the ship exploded and took his body with it... but I'm not sure if that's the "point" you were talking about. I wasn't really making a point so much as stating a fact. There's a cutscene that shows his "death," and, after he wakes up, he assumes a tiny form while he gathers his powers again. This is pretty common knowledge as it all happens on screen.

[Frederick22]

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I think that before, he didnt trust us, and saw us like any orther ignorant mortal. But now we have passed his trial, he seems to trust on the WoL and show his respects.

[Toranja]

Because it would fuel the cycle.