Post Your Healing Horror Stories.

[Risvertasashi]

I think it's because of a misconception about WAR healing. Usually it's just understanding what Defiance does for healers versus Grit and Shield Oath. The latter two reduces the tank's damage taken while Defiance doesn't. Defiance raises WAR HP 25% and adds 20% healing potency. So if the warrior isn't being healed or being topped off, the healer isn't taking advantage of defiance. Either way, it doesn't really mean they are harder to heal because they have more HP overall. Some healers come fixated by how much space is between full and remaining HP on their bar and already freak out when they are only at 14k out of 20k+ HP.

Well, but warriors are always getting hit at least 20% harder than other thanks, so defiance does actually come into play before healing starts -- the extra HP lets them live that much longer in a game where 5 seconds (the period of time they must survive before the next heal if you spend a GCD on a DPS) can easily result in a dead tank. And if they've got less HP than DPS, well, you might as well have a DRG main tank, particularly if that DRK wasn't using grit...

[technole]

Well, but warriors are always getting hit at least 20% harder than other thanks, so defiance does actually come into play before healing starts -- the extra HP lets them live that much longer in a game where 5 seconds (the period of time they must survive before the next heal if you spend a GCD on a DPS) can easily result in a dead tank. And if they've got less HP than DPS, well, you might as well have a DRG main tank, particularly if that DRK wasn't using grit...

Well they shouldn't have less HP than DPS in the first place. Of course I didn't even mention war mitigation skills (yes we all know it can be a foreign concept to DF warriors), as the toolbox is pretty large and full of excellent ways to be tanky while doing plenty of damage.

Even so with damage taken, warrior has the best self-healing skills of all the tanks when skills like Bloodbath, Inner Beast, and/or Equilibrium are paired up with what usually seen as an offensive skill like Berserk. Even just having instant Equilibrum 1200 potency heal every 90s is crazy good, compared to how crummy PLD's Clemency is.

[Risvertasashi]

Oh I agree. I just don't like the tendency for people say "Defiance doesn't do anything if you aren't getting heals" because I don't quite agree with it... namely I think the extra HP counts for more than most give credit.

[Lunaxia]

Been levelling my PLD recently, and 35+... has not been kind to me. Though I was the tank, the healers went through even more trouble than I did so I think it's okay to put it here.

One was a Qarn run. I join in progress to find an exasperated healer and two silent French DPS. Despite weapons/ armour being up to par (one was a 50) the DPS output was really bad - turns out their rotations were awful - and the mobs took forever. On the first boss, the DPS kept dying to doom, and neither of them would kill the wasps so someone kept getting OHKO every five minutes or so. Second boss, they kept hitting the guardian instead of the soulstone, and in the final stretch before Adjy, one of the DPS decided to walk off during the biggest pull, fudge up opening one of the hidden doors, spawned adds, and then ran over to us with them and wiped the lot of us. Then in Adjy, both DPS ignored adds - the Sun Jurors were constantly on the healer who was desperately trying to keep herself and me alive, so I had to hold Adjy, take the Sun Jurors, pull them over to the squares, kill them, and grab Mythril Verges along the way while dodging lasers. Me and healer both walk away scarred for life.

The next two were Stone Vigil. One, I was a fresh 41 and had tried to avoid it until my gear/ level was better, but roulette was not kind to me that day. I was squishier than a fried marshmallow and the whole run took 50 - 60 minutes (I had to pull small.) Party wiped a lot. I grovelled and offered to leave a few times, but the party insisted I was fine and that I should stay (why would you do that to yourselves?!) Honestly, they were the loveliest party I've ever been put with, everyone was so supportive and patient - I can only imagine what would have happened if I'd pulled some of those LEET guys. But it must have been pretty painful for them, the healer especially was really pushed to the limit. Poor guy. orz

Next run, I'm far less squishy and things are speedier... until one of the DPS D/Cs. And another one doesn't show. And did I mention none of us were over 45? We managed to clear it (after an intense fight with Izzy, who must have flown into the air 10 times - the other two struggled avoiding attacks and when it happened at one percent to go, I nearly had a nervous breakdown.) The run took even longer than my first time, and it was so stressful... but you get a weird sense of achievement knowing you've 3 manned SV as newbies.

Still needed a hard drink after that weekend though.

[raela]

I had a terrible time with roulettes yesterday. For high, we got into WP HM and saw the pld was badly undergeared.. level 1 pants and dex acc. She only used emotes, no typing, and couldn't hold hate.

The first boss was more of a group effort in tanking - it mostly was on me, dps would pull it off, so I'd heal, boss back to me. The tank hit the boss the whole time yet stayed last in threat.

After, the tank started doing negative emotes at my friend, and I was getting quite grumpy.. So I decided to vote kick after the loot roll. When we killed the mobs at the first stardard, the tank started hitting it while the rest of us continued.. Stopped.. Stared.. Tank had a hissy fit and quit the dungeon.

We got to the second boss and gave it a good try, but it hit too hard and oneshot the dps. Friend dropped out and joined in progress on pld, and we finished without incident (never had a second dps join). Turns out it was the other dps's first time.. What an intro.

[Lunaxia]

I had a terrible time with roulettes yesterday. For high, we got into WP HM and saw the pld was badly undergeared.. level 1 pants and dex acc. She only used emotes, no typing, and couldn't hold hate.

Sounds like you were had by a troll, my friend.

[Gamer3427]

but you get a weird sense of achievement knowing you've 3 manned SV as newbies.

Reminds me of the time I had the roulette drop me in Pharos Sirius, only for the tank to leave after the first boss. We managed to three man the run, (I was a MCH and had a BRD and a WHM as my two allies), and the sense of accomplishment at the end was practically palpable.....

In regards to your story though, reminds me of the one tank run I did while leveling my PLD for provoke the other day. Got in Tam-tara as a level 16, with the other party members being synced down. Add an AST healer who doesn't understand that AoE healing generates a lot of aggro even when you tell them that multiple times, and it wasn't a fun run.....

[Stupiduglytaru]

Kicked from a roulette for dpsing, despite no one dieing. Smn started spamming cure on tank halfway through and began harassing me saying I should keep tank hp max at all times.

#L2P

[Acyd]

Kicked from a roulette for dpsing, despite no one dieing. Smn started spamming cure on tank halfway through and began harassing me saying I should keep tank hp max at all times.

#L2P

As i tank, i would of stood up for you. I dont care if my HP hits 1%, as long as you dont let me die. That is if your DPSing as well. If you are doing no DPS and my HPs are hitting that low, then we got a problem.

[Raji_Lev]

As i tank, i would of stood up for you. I dont care if my HP hits 1%, as long as you dont let me die. That is if your DPSing as well. If you are doing no DPS and my HPs are hitting that low, then we got a problem.

This.
As a tank, if my HP is dropping into the "OH SHIT" range because the healer is DPS'ing stuff, hey, it's all good. Hell, I'll even laugh it off if s/he slips up and lets me die once or twice cause, hey, shit happens.
If my HP is dropping into the "OH SHIT" range because the healer simply isn't paying attention and not doing a ****ing thing, then that healer is bad and s/he should feel bad.