Looks like PLDs are clearing A4s.

[SpookyGhost]

Well the first thing I have to say is....

I think you're underestimating how much of a coordinated song and dance A4S is. DRK only makes things marginally easier with DA + Dark Mind, it doesn't take away the stress at all. Every mechanic has to be handled near flawlessly to meet the DPS check and allow for the sacrifices in the last phase, on top of the healers having very little mana to work with to rectify any mistakes. PLD certainly isn't optimal in terms of mitigation for this floor, but it's by no means a massive detriment.

[Lazka]

PLD certainly isn't optimal in terms of mitigation for this floor, but it's by no means a massive detriment.

but not imposible as many of in this forum say isnt?

[Billeffingmurray]

I'm still looking for a DRK + PLD video. If you find one please post it

[Ercapote]

I'm still looking for a DRK + PLD video. If you find one please post it

GL with that probably won't find any until the entire group can compensate the lost from not bringing a war and having a PLD

and even then a war has a obligate spot in the raid since they have everything and they all need a war but then everything is balance and the other tank classes aren't "bad" at all... (notice sarcasm)

[Billeffingmurray]

GL with that probably won't find any until the entire group can compensate the lost from not bringing a war and having a PLD

and even then a war has a obligate spot in the raid since they have everything and they all need a war but then everything is balance and the other tank classes aren't "bad" at all... (notice sarcasm)

I just wonder if any groups have had the stones to give it a real shot since the first few weeks. It becomes more and more possible with each passing week.

[Ercapote]

I just wonder if any groups have had the stones to give it a real shot since the first few weeks. It becomes more and more possible with each passing week.

highly doubt someone will change a war for a pld...there's no reason for that beside asking for more difficulty...

There isn't going to be much of a difference in DRK/WAR vs PLD/WAR in damage.

notice how you only mention DRK/WAR or PLD/WAR but no DRK/PLD see where the problem is?

[Launched]

notice how you only mention DRK/WAR or PLD/WAR but no DRK/PLD see where the problem is?

So bring a NIN, it'll only do a tiny bit less DPS than a group with a WAR. MCH/BRD needs a DRG to do max DPS, BLM/SMN needs a BRD. Melee can get extra DPS from a MCH. Plenty of group compositions need specific jobs to do max DPS, it's not just tanks.

[Shining_Tiger_Excalibur]

I think you're underestimating how much of a coordinated song and dance A4S is. DRK only makes things marginally easier with DA + Dark Mind, it doesn't take away the stress at all. Every mechanic has to be handled near flawlessly to meet the DPS check and allow for the sacrifices in the last phase, on top of the healers having very little mana to work with to rectify any mistakes. PLD certainly isn't optimal in terms of mitigation for this floor, but it's by no means a massive detriment.

Yeah I can see the kick in the pants healers have to deal with. I won't lie, I don't have the skill to do this even if I was BiS; also yeah, I do underestimate what A4s requires (you can tell as much by what I'm wearing on the lodestone, which makes for a good laugh too!) I can agree only a few things need to be changed for Paladin (I feel like a moron for making a suggestion thread a ways back.) Thankfully though, I'm not being paid to make those changes.

[Syzygian]

I think you're underestimating how much of a coordinated song and dance A4S is. DRK only makes things marginally easier with DA + Dark Mind, it doesn't take away the stress at all. Every mechanic has to be handled near flawlessly to meet the DPS check and allow for the sacrifices in the last phase, on top of the healers having very little mana to work with to rectify any mistakes. PLD certainly isn't optimal in terms of mitigation for this floor, but it's by no means a massive detriment.

Its not a question of mitigation but the DPS check, and DRK outdoes PLD DPS by a decent amount out of tank stance and by a landslide in tank stance (outdoing even WAR, if the slashing debuff is up on the DRK's target). I'd also say that Delirium is a much bigger deal there than DA DM.