Need GM Clarification: Player to Player Housing Sales a Violation of ToS?

[Syrehn]

No, the email contained the reason for the mod's action. The reason was listed explicitly as "Taking any other actions that are deemed inappropriate by Square Enix in our sole discretion. - Advertising the sale of land"

I honestly can't believe that was the sole factor for mod intervention; despite it being listed. Buying/Selling land would essentially be considered a Trade Agreement and SE forum mods have specifically stated that they allow those; they just can't guarantee gil recovery if things go south.

Hence my suggestion about the phraseology of the post itself possibly contributing to a mod flagging the thread.

[ExKage]

I will note, I'm not contesting the actions just that others mentioned that no threads were deleted. Just saying that the reason given for mine, in my experience, was this. The fact that it was sole discretion was the reason why I did not question the action. I also did not name names so I haven't seen people acted on for that... even with the very appropriate of the time aggressive language >.>

[Sicno]

Why is it the whole thread derailed into trying so hard to prove the conversation is fake instead of talking about what this would mean if true?

[Anova]

Denial (its a fake email), anger (why is the thread derailing), and bargaining (but then the entire server would be banned because they're all doing it) are the first 3 stages of dealing with loss and grief. And we're in grief because that email means it's illegal to buy a house now. And there's no point in arguing or speculating since it is very clear the letter implies a ban for any buyers/sellers.

Anyway, I'd really like to see a GM pick up the question and settle it once and for all.

[Nadirah]

Looks like a staged conversation used through recolouring /echo messages to look like /tells.
A GM with their character's first name being "Gm", really? Next we'll be getting screenshots of Sultanate members sending tells, wanting to share their fortunes with us.

[GM] in front of the name, and the one I got after reporting a troll in a run was formatted the same.

As well as " Gm" being first name.

[Kaeira]

Probably the caps ExKage posted is right. Because i had a thread in housing section for to buy a house from a player and SE sent me a e-mail that i violeted user-aggrement policies. Here is the caps also. But in the mail they say i want to buy the house with RMT. But i didn't even say that i want to buy it like that. Still not sure if buying a house with gil a violation or not...

[Culfinrandir]

I'm surprised that nobody has pointed out that this may be a very new policy brought in because of the changes about to be introduced to the housing system? It would make sense that they are going to discourage player to player transfers if a proper system is coming that would make the transaction 'secure' by being an in game function.

[MistakeNot]

Probably the caps ExKage posted is right. Because i had a thread in housing section for to buy a house from a player and SE sent me a e-mail that i violeted user-aggrement policies. Here is the caps also. But in the mail they say i want to buy the house with RMT. But i didn't even say that i want to buy it like that. Still not sure if buying a house with gil a violation or not...

They quoted several sections from the Guidelines. The RMT stuff was just one - probably beacause it was not clear from your post how you wanted to pay for it.

But they also quoted the catch-all section:
"Taking any other actions that are deemed inapporopriate by Square Enix in our sole discretion."

Taken literally this means that absolutely any action can be a violation of the Guidelines if they decide it is.

[Kaiser-Ace]

I'm surprised that nobody has pointed out that this may be a very new policy brought in because of the changes about to be introduced to the housing system? It would make sense that they are going to discourage player to player transfers if a proper system is coming that would make the transaction 'secure' by being an in game function.

This could be the underlying truth. They never intended for a secondary market for plots to exist so now that they are preparing a way to fix the system they could have decided to start culling the unintended activity.

I've just come to accept that any personal house I get won't likely be until after Ishguard wards come out. I dont even have the 50k Gil to get the new fishing ros I need right now so I'm to broke to be a land owner. Lol.

[Eye_Gore]

The thing is though if they deem the ToS a binding contract no where in there does it specify property sales as a prohibited activity, nor was it added to any update on their website. They can't expect to tell one person it is a violation and for all others to follow suit. It would have to be updated on their prohibited activities list and we would have to re-accept the contract. When ever Sony does an update changing the ToS we have to click on accept as it being our signature. This never happens with this game.

Even though they say that they can deem any action against the rules that action would still need to put forth for everyone to see, not one person in a convo with a GM or an e-mail, in the real world world it would never hold up, and not so sure it would here either as it is not specifically mentioned anywhere in the ToS. Word of mouth is not a binding contract. They do say that the list of prohibited activities can be updated to add items, as of now it is not listed therefore can not be expected to be prohibited, worse they could do is say "don't do it again". If someone was actually banned from the game and took the time and money to fight it, it would probably be thrown out. They want to use the ToS to protect themselves, it can be used against them because it does not specify actions to take against property sales. There is no prior warning as to what could happen if players engage in property sales. Thats my take on it.

I can buy an item off the MB and then relist it at any price I want. How is that different from buying a property and reselling it at any price you want?

Its still considered an in game item bought with in game currency. As long as no RMT is involved, no issues.