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  1. #21
    Player
    Umbreon_skystorm's Avatar
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    Character
    Illuseon Madolche
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 87
    Ok... I wont continue this... Ill just say a last sentence...
    For those who don't wanna play it because of its lack of moviment now are just throwing, in my opinion, the uniqueness of this job that now have 2 ways of playing and maxing both will make you be more archer than before
    (1)

  2. #22
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    T2teddy's Avatar
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    Character
    Fionn Iolair
    World
    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 60
    For my bard it is not losing my mobility that caused me to stop playing on her. It's the cast times, the loss of a fair chunk of dps from auto attacks, the screwed up procs and rotation, ever since we're forced to use WM. Oh and Barrage is useless in WM since it affect auto attack. I tried to get the hang of it for a few weeks but the job is just too different now. My bard used to be my main. RIP
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  3. #23
    Player
    Jamillion's Avatar
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    Uldah
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    Calypso Celeste
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    Lamia
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by T2teddy View Post
    For my bard it is not losing my mobility that caused me to stop playing on her. It's the cast times, the loss of a fair chunk of dps from auto attacks, the screwed up procs and rotation, ever since we're forced to use WM. Oh and Barrage is useless in WM since it affect auto attack. I tried to get the hang of it for a few weeks but the job is just too different now. My bard used to be my main. RIP
    Barrage now triples the damage from weapon skills instead of auto attacks, but yeah my sentiments exactly
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  4. #24
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    Warlyx's Avatar
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    Warlyx Arada
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    Moogle
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    brd are whining because we are in the same spot we where in 2.0 (DPSWISE) but now we have to endure casting times...

    and by that i mean , if melee are 100% , caster 90% and brd 80% in 2.0 and now we are at 80% too but have to cast skills..... then what we gained in 3.0?
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  5. #25
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    AskaRay's Avatar
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    Character
    Aeon Rakshasa
    World
    Lich
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by T2teddy View Post
    For my bard it is not losing my mobility that caused me to stop playing on her. It's the cast times, the loss of a fair chunk of dps from auto attacks, the screwed up procs and rotation, ever since we're forced to use WM. Oh and Barrage is useless in WM since it affect auto attack. I tried to get the hang of it for a few weeks but the job is just too different now. My bard used to be my main. RIP
    Hold on a sec
    bard is your main but you didn't even re-read the tooltip changes to the skill. On your main. Okay.
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  6. #26
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    Duelle's Avatar
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    Duelle Urelle
    World
    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 80
    Gameplay. The issue is gameplay. Pumping out more DPS isn't what makes a class fun, but rather how you achieve those numbers.

    Add to this the fact that BRD has been a certain way for 2 years (and plays rather well). The job was taken in a direction that makes little sense for what it is and was poorly implemented all around. The fact they gave MCH the exact same mechanic didn't help things. It was an obvious shortcut, and all it's done is split the community. You have the guys that adjusted, and the people who picked ARC/BRD because of how it played and now feel bait and switched.

    And trust me, if you were bait and switched on your favorite job, you'd be pretty pissed as well.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

  7. #27
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    Tsilyi's Avatar
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    Tsilyi L'sombra
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Umbreon_skystorm View Post
    payon
    ! RAGNAROK PLAYER ALERT !
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  8. #28
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    Velhart's Avatar
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    Character
    Velhart Aurion
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    And trust me, if you were bait and switched on your favorite job, you'd be pretty pissed as well.
    If you play MMO's you have to take with a grain of salt that the job you play may completely change in an expansion or two down the line. Classes in Vanilla WoW are nothing like they are now.

    Casting times added a skill level BRD needed. Sure it needs some adjustments to have the procs and OGCD's flow better, but it works just fine. On either BRD or MCH, I actually have to plan my next move accordingly to how the boss is going to react next. In 2.0 on BRD, only thing to do after the opener was only worry about boss mechanics and if someone needed a song. It was really a brain dead job. Even then, BRD is still the easiest job to play of the DPS. It is still easy to be mobile if you actually take time to learn how to react and move in between GCD's.
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  9. #29
    Player Shirobi's Avatar
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    Character
    Rivenblack Balemourn
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    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 50
    I dont know why people are so angry about the whole cast bar thing.

    I am still angry about the whole "bow" thing.
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  10. #30
    Player
    Duelle's Avatar
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    Duelle Urelle
    World
    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    If you play MMO's you have to take with a grain of salt that the job you play may completely change in an expansion or two down the line. Classes in Vanilla WoW are nothing like they are now.
    The difference is that classes from vanilla WoW generally changed for the better. BRD changed for the worse. The redesigns were also done from bottom to top, not arbitrarily thrown in at a late point in the class' lifespan.

    Consider that vanilla WoW paladins, druids and shaman were basically forced to be healers and little more. The general public laughed at you if you wanted to tank or DPS. When hybrids were changed in WotLK, that entire mentality went out the window and a world of opportunities opened up. Hunters being changed from mana to focus was also a change for the better, and again, an entire redesign of the job came with it from bottom to top. Even the more questionable decisions like Holy Power for paladins came with a redesign; Blizzard could have inserted it at lv81 but instead properly redesigned the class' aspects to work with the new resource from bottom to top.

    And let's not bring in the "skill" argument. All you're doing when you mention that is trying to belittle those who dislike WM.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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