If You Could Choose the Next Expansion & Lore, Where Would It Be, & Why

[jomoru]

Let me put this in context because for some reason you seem to think just because the Garleans think its fair makes it so. First in comparison to Duskwights in Gridania those who are in Annexed territory are in fact conquered. Now and I quote ".. indicates that they lack even the most basic rights afforded to a citizen" to put that more clearly they are slaves. The "tough but fair" method requires 20 years of slavery and while you get to be treated as the lowest of actual citizens after this there is still a barrier between the Ban/Cen and the rest. While I was wrong about the theory(though really in practice its unlikely works out). The Garleans are still clearly..not a meritocracy.

As for the racism endemic to Gridania for the Duskwights and the Keepers we see in the Archer and Lancer quests while YES they do face racism on par with real world racism they aren't legally hobbled in the same fashion as Garlean Aans. The Laws still apply to them even if a Duskwight might get arrested for 'walking while duskwight" that's not a part of the Gridania legal code, while the lack of rights an Aan has in the Garlean empire would mean a true Garlean can just casually kill them and answer to no one(See Nero in his introductory scene).

Rhit is the only higher up Imperial we see who is not a True Garlean and I will once more point out he is the lowest ranking of Gaius' elite. Not a single true Garlean serves him. The fact that he's a slave in charge of other slaves doesn't change the situation nor the fact that the power granted him by such a position does mean that his commentary about why he serves is suspect.

[Cilia]

It's not entirely fair, but it is fair to peoples in annexed territories. People born Garlean are automatically granted citizenship, while peoples in annexed territories either have to be exceptionally talented or serve 20 years in the military to earn citizenship, at any point of which you can be killed just because your CO is in a bad mood. That said, this is standard for all annexed peoples, and the book points out that only Garleans really think of this as a fair stance. (It is technically fair, and hardly surprising given Garlemald is heavily inspired by ancient Rome, who did almost the exact same thing.)

You can still be offered citizenship if you're exceptionally skilled or talented, though, and get a position befitting your ability. That's... what meritocracy is. The Garlean system is just needlessly cruel to those who aren't exceptionally talented or skilled.

Rhitatyn is the only Garlean officer not of Garlean birth, but that's his whole point; he's an attempt to extol the virtues of Garlean meritocracy, and tries to sell you his angle before you come to blows. (Of course, given the only thing you sell is merchandise...) Technically, he is of equal rank to Livia; they are both sas (sas Arvina and sas Junius, respectively).

These titles probably stem from the fact they are both the commander (praefectus) of a castrum (Castrum Marinum and Meridianum, respectively). He's not exactly a slave; otherwise he wouldn't have the sas title, would he? That said, Rhitatyn is still the first documented example of a non-Garlean (or at least the first Roegadyn) to hold a major military position as the quest log notes. He tells his men to flee prior to our clash at Cape Westwind because he knows we'll slaughter them all, but they return to fight by his side out of (seeming) genuine loyalty anyway. (And I doubt all of the soldiers that we slaughtered during said fight were forced conscripts from annexed territories.)

Rhitatyn was of equal rank to Livia. Technically. He just had the misfortune of being the first major Garlean to meet the business end of our swords during 2.0.

The "aan" title is fair to peoples in annexed territories. Technically. Serve your 20 years or prove you're talented enough to deserve citizenship. (Whether you die during those 20 years, for whatever reason, is not really Garlemald's concern.)

[Kaiser-Ace]

Well, since Garlemald seems to be a Militaristic Meritocracy, as well as having strong Nationalistic and Totalitarian Views, (Could they be Fascists possibly?) then from their perspective The "Talented" will show their inherent skills and talents and be recognized for their exceptional abilities by making them stand out amongst their peers.

I guarantee if you can make a 100 yalm "no scope" then you'll stand out enough to get citizenship and marksmen training, and any "Normal" (Read unexceptional) commoner can prove their worth with a 20 year conscription where surviving the war means you were skill at Surviving the Odds. A worthy Talent for Infantree to have and like wise receive recognition for. (The USA, for the most part, views our long term veterans with a similar reverence)

On paper, this is a pretty good set up, but in practice the outsiders are given Suicide Missions (Like fighting us) or end up a PMSing Legatus' punching bag. And normal, non military, subjects are treated like animals and property to be abused as their Subjugators see fit. (The whole "R.R.P."concept of conquest)

[jomoru]

There is nothing fair about being conquered. We also saw how the "recruit" in 1.0 and in the 2.0 quests involving the deserter. We can look at basic math to see that the majority of legionaires have to be conscripts because the majority of the Empire is annexed territory. The Empire austensibly controls two whole continents and were considered a small nation before they went out expanding. We know for a fact that the Empire took heavy losses in Othard fighting Primals to the point Primals now completely freak out the Imperials. Unless True Garleans are hyper fecund the majority of legionaires have to be conscripts.

Since we only see the Empire on war footing it might be a reasonable mistake to assume its a military meritocracy, but look again at the civilian hierarchy. Commoners cannot gain any of the political positions. Twenty years(or more so they could just decide to not give it to you.. but hey "tough but fair" right?) means you get the rights of a commoner. Your children(because they were probably born during your noncitizen time!) have to go thorugh it all over again and none of them have the option to have any say in governing.

Meanwhilte Uldah, which no one but the most Randian free marketist would call a meritocracy, has Raubahn's rising up from the streets to joining the the council that runs the city by raw act of his skill with a sword. That's far more meritocratic than anything we see with the Garleans but hey the Uldians don't scream about how fair and just the invisible hand of the free market is so I guess no one looks at that.

[Cilia]

While the Garlean method is, again, harsh, it is entirely fair. Submit or earn your freedom. It just so happens that we've been able to keep our freedom, twice now, because of supernatural help (first with Midgardsormr uncharacteristically taking on the Agruis, then with an assist from Hydaelyn herself so we wouldn't get blown up by Ultima). Gaius offers the Alliance an ultimatum: fight or submit. The Garlean Empire follows a very "might makes right" philosophy, probably best exemplified by one of Gaius' lines just before your fight.

It is only right that I take your lands, for none among you have the strength to stop me!

He also points out that "It is ever the strong who dictate the fate of the weak," which is actually true. He's basically challenging you to prove Eorzea deserves its freedom... and you prove to him that, ancient magitek monstrosities and divine magic aside, it does because you are powerful enough to defend it.

Whether they extend citizenship to the children of soldiers who have earned their citizenship, well, who knows. But children born after a soldier earns their citizenship are probably automatically granted citizenship themselves, and while it's possible to deny a soldier citizenship after their 20 years we don't know how often they do this.

That's not to say the Empire is good. Far from it. On an alignment chart, they would almost undoubtedly fall under Lawful Evil with some Neutral / Chaotic Evil people in the ranks. That's just the system, though; there are probably Garlean citizens, some maybe even in places of political power, who aren't all power-hungry suckups to the Emperor. An Amyeric figure for them would set the stage for for a complicated storyline with us constantly trying to keep war at bay while attempting to change the Garlean system from within... the problem is that we've not seen much of the Garleans beyond their imperialistic military dictatorship of an army, which isn't surprising since we haven't gone to Garlemald proper yet.

Well, nobody said changing a military dictatorship without open war was easy.

Anyway, Ul'dah is not a meritocracy. It's a plutocracy, rule by wealth. Of course, it takes ability to run the market successfully enough to reach a position of power, so in a way it's meritocratic... but Ul'dahns could be born into poverty and work their entire lives, yet never escape their low birth. The Garlean system, while brutal, ostensibly gives everyone an equal chance to rise to the station they deserve, be it though strength of mind or strength of body.

Raubahn, like Rhitatyn, just happens to be an exception to the rules thanks to his talent. Doubtlessly, there are myriad refugee gladiators who never make it big like Raubahn did, just like there are countless legionnaires who never make it big like Rhitatyn did. The difference is that Ul'dahns are self-aware enough to recognize their system is harsh and brutal and make no attempt to sugarcoat it.

[Frederick22]

And what happenes if an Gaerlan high rank officer wants to kill you for no reason and by luck you manage to kill him, on self defense of course. What you after that?

[Delphor]

And what happenes if an Gaerlan high rank officer wants to kill you for no reason and by luck you manage to kill him, on self defense of course. What you after that?

What happens to a person after that is subjective to the decision of the one that judges the circumstances. It may be that they see you as having been very capable to kill the higher ranked officer in combat and promote you, therefore solidifying the meritocratic view of the Empire, or that they consider the death of the higher ranked officer as an assassination on your part and kill you.

[Kaiser-Ace]

What happens to a person after that is subjective to the decision of the one that judges the circumstances. It may be that they see you as having been very capable to kill the higher ranked officer in combat and promote you, therefore solidifying the meritocratic view of the Empire, or that they consider the death of the higher ranked officer as an assassination on your part and kill you.

I guess that would be dependent on the officer's reputation with your judge then.

Of you killed Nael van Darnus and Gaius was your judge He'd probably be like "Nice one, give this pesant a metal and some legal papers."
Van Hydrus how every (who seems to be a brown nosing prik) would probably have you exicuted "IN THE NAME OF THE EMPEROR!!"

[Enkidoh]

May I also just pipe in and remind ex 1.0 players that it was revealed that the Garleans actually resort to brainwashing the people of their conquered nations into... god-hating anti-beastmen zealots? Because the main scenario of 1.0 clearly and disturbingly showed in an Echo vision Ala Mhigan children being subjected to this:

(A group of hyuran Ala Mhigan children sit huddled together in a cave somewhere in Mor Dhona)
Shivering Child: "Where are we going?"
Terrified Child: "..."
Shuddering Child: "Mama..."
Cried-Out Child: "Where are you from? I'm from Ala Mhigo."
Cowering Child: "Please... I'm so tired..."
(A group of Garlean soldiers led by a Centurion appear. The player quickly hides as the Garleans surround the children and the Centurion addresses them)
Imperial Centurion: "Believe thyself. Believe thy strength."
Imperial Centurion: "Know thyself. Know thy weakness."
Imperial Centurion: "Thou art alone. One amongst many."
Imperial Centurion: "The land is alone. One star in the void."
Imperial Centurion: "See through the lies. See beyond the words of deceivers."
Imperial Centurion: "Follow the truth. Follow the whispers of verity."
Imperial Centurion: "Protect that which must be. Destroy that which must not."
Imperial Centurion: "For Calamity draws nigh. The End is upon thee!"
(A change comes over the cowering children... they stop whimpering and hiss angrily through clenched teeth, standing zombie-like one by one)
Shuddering Child: "Kill the tribes..."
Terrified Child: "Kill their Gods."
Shuddering Child: "Kill the tribes..."
Shuddering Child: "Before the Land doth perish!"
(The Garlean soldiers then lead the now brainwashed children to a hovering Imperial airship and the scene ends)

Although ARR retconned a lot of 1.0's story, this brainwashing of Ala Mhigan children by the Garlean Empire clearly rings true even in ARR, as it definitely explains Rhitayan's zealous behaviour towards Gaius (as well as many other Garleans who are stationed within Eorzea - remember 'Mr Stabby Mcstabber' and his bloodthirsty rampage during the Raid on the Waking Sands? ), although it's just as easy to explain away his unwavering, even slavish, devotion to the Empire as simply pragmatic survival, but I still favour the brainwashing theory myself.