Crafting is fun!

[Silverbane]

Red scrip tool. The i180 hand.

Or the i170 offhand: the upgrade from i140 OH to i170 offhands produces the same stat boost as getting the i180 mainhand.

In my own case, my wife and I bought red scrip i180 BSM, CRP, and i180 GSM mainhands.
Having BSM+CRP+GSM mainhands lets us make the offhands for all the other classes, at which point we will be able to do all the 2-star crafts.

Capping red crafter scrip takes about 2 hours, if you wait for a gold star on something easy. I prefer it to the 2.x grind for Oaknots, myself.

[Lemuria]

It's a video game. What has "practical use" in a video game? I guess that's subjective.

You're answering in rhetoric. Stop pretending not to understand what someone means by 'practical', it's not some mystery definition of the word, it's a very clearly defined descriptor.

We crafters craft for one reason. To make stuff for crafting. It's a circular cycle. There's no benefit whatsoever to crafting for Disciples of War, since the gear is outdated before it's even earned. Yoshida's reasons are as stupid as the concept of crafting for crafting's sake. There's absolutely no reason why certain items couldn't be bind on craft, nor any reason why such items couldn't be unsealed similar to FFXI abjuration items. For all the time and effort put into building a meaningful crafting system, they're sure eager to stamp on any embers that might become a lingering flame.

And what do we crafters get for our troubles? Walls. They're eager to throw constant barriers in our path towards reaching higher crafting skill levels, but there's no true reward for overcoming those barriers. We get a couple of extra recipes, but most of them are worthless. Our ultimate aim is really to craft our high level tools, but by the time we reach that level there's little point to having them.

Surely I can't be the only one who wants some meaningful progression? I enjoy crafting as a casual excercise. If I'm working hardcore to get to those high end crafts, you can be damned certain I want to see some benefits out of it. Not the pitiful returns we're currently being offered.

[fortuona]

the worst part is that savage alexander participation represents such a small minority portion of the playerbase. when you're intentionally gimping craftable gear to limit 5000 people (rough estimate of those on or past AS3) worldwide from completing a raid too soon, then your priorities are not straight.

[Silverbane]

You're answering in rhetoric. Stop pretending not to understand what someone means by 'practical', it's not some mystery definition of the word, it's a very clearly defined descriptor.

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." -- I.M.
Merriam-Webster defines "practical" as:

1. a : of, relating to, or manifested in practice or action : not theoretical or ideal; b : being such in practice or effect : virtual
2. actively engaged in some course of action or occupation
3. capable of being put to use or account : useful
4. a : disposed to action as opposed to speculation or abstraction; b (1) : qualified by practice or practical training; b (2) : designed to supplement theoretical training by experience
5. concerned with voluntary action and ethical decisions

Now given that, how do you determine what's "practical" in a fantasy MMO? Who determines what is "practical" in such a game, where people spend millions of gil on glamour items? Where people spend scores of hours trying to win one fight just to say they did it? In such a game, is preparing for possible future recipes "practical"?

[Silverbane]

the worst part is that savage alexander participation represents such a small minority portion of the playerbase. when you're intentionally gimping craftable gear to limit 5000 people (rough estimate of those on or past AS3) worldwide from completing a raid too soon, then your priorities are not straight.

Ever consider that the reason that so few people have finished it is because they can't buy OP crafted DoM/DoW gear?
Sounds to me like things are working exactly as they should.

[Ksenia]

Ever consider that the reason that so few people have finished it is because they can't buy OP crafted DoM/DoW gear?
Sounds to me like things are working exactly as they should.

Most haven`t completed it because they didn`t throw $4000 in to a gaming system with a DDR4 based GPU to play simon says with action bars or square dance around floor graphics that one shot you. Once you know the win sauce rotations by class in this game, you can run them with a macro. All you need to do is avoid the nukes and that`s all on your GPU and internet connection being in sync.

This is why fun needs to be a first priority in a video game. Hard is an illusion.

[fortuona]

Ever consider that the reason that so few people have finished it is because they can't buy OP crafted DoM/DoW gear?
Sounds to me like things are working exactly as they should.

not really, i'd be surprised if that number have even attempted a3s or a4s, much less cleared it.

even if that was exactly the reason they can't clear, it is still bad practice to balance crafting around such a small percentage of players.

[Silverbane]

Most haven`t completed it because they didn`t throw $4000 in to a gaming system with a DDR4 based GPU to play simon says with action bars or square dance around floor graphics that one shot you. Once you know the win sauce rotations by class in this game, you can run them with a macro. All you need to do is avoid the nukes and that`s all on your GPU and internet connection being in sync..

Your Lodestone profile shows only one class at L60, FSH. So that character, at least, seems to have no experience with Alexander at all (or L60 crafting). Knowing only that, it's hard to take this comment of yours seriously.

[Yurimi]

Your Lodestone profile shows only one class at L60, FSH. So that character, at least, seems to have no experience with Alexander at all (or L60 crafting). Knowing only that, it's hard to take this comment of yours seriously.

or they could be someone like me who has multiple characters with different classes leveled (either out of boredom, for RP purposes, or to get around lockouts/job specific esoterics) and have set that particular one to their profile character.

[Aegis]

I'd put crafting in XIV ARR probably 3rd on my favourite crafting systems.

1: Star Wars Galaxies - Far and away the most in depth, complex and variable crafting system I've ever seen. Like, leagues and leagues ahead of #2.
2: XIV V1 - The actual crafting mechanics are a bit meh, but I loved the amount of work involved (I know it's an unpopular opinion); you made every rivet, every buckle and strap for your gear. I found that highly rewarding when the finished item was made.
3: XIV ARR - Better mechanics than 1.0 but less involving.