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    I just hope it's not gonna end up like Lahabrea. Where all the NPCS end up behind the player and friendship rush attack to free Thancred.

    Because that was stupid and awkward like Hope in XIII.
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    I suspect the Echo will play a roll in extracting Estinien. Possibly even with the help of Ysayle, whose consciousness could still be out there somewhere. Or somehow Estinien becomes the dominant force and Nidhogg ends the war under his influence, though I'm not sure how that would be accomplished. Maybe also through the Echo or destroying one of the eyes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaichiro View Post
    and those thirteen warriors are praised as heroes of Ishgard whose houses control the city. People of Ishgard kinda worship them and want to be like them otherwise how would you explain the ability to summon them as primals. Have you noticed that majority if not all are descendants of those thirteen warriors. Have you forgotten the young dragon and his injured siblings who was attacked for simply hunting for food.

    Let me remind of the dragoon investigative unit in churning mists. What was the first assignment? Kill blood dragons! Why? Really why?
    Let me remind you that the people of Ishgard didnt know the truth behind those warriors either. They were revering a lie.

    There is no justification for Niddhog's war of genocide. None.

    This whole notion that "Dragons cannot forgive." makes them sound petty, childish, and too dangerous to tolerate living. Eorzea cant be safe until they are all gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki View Post
    I just hope it's not gonna end up like Lahabrea. Where all the NPCS end up behind the player and friendship rush attack to free Thancred.

    Because that was stupid and awkward like Hope in XIII.
    Its an anime style story line. The ending is always gonna be either stupid and awkward, or nonsensical and awkward.

    Pick your poison.
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    So if someone just stabbed you in the back 5 minutes ago, you would be able to forgive them for it? Their family and friends insist on a set of lies to paint you as the bad man, you'd just be able to forgive them in just 5 min?

    Keep in mind that not all dragons did are in the war. It's only Nidhogg's brood. The others are just apathetic to whether or not Ishgard is razed to the ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExKage View Post
    So if someone just stabbed you in the back 5 minutes ago, you would be able to forgive them for it? Their family and friends insist on a set of lies to paint you as the bad man, you'd just be able to forgive them in just 5 min?

    Keep in mind that not all dragons did are in the war. It's only Nidhogg's brood. The others are just apathetic to whether or not Ishgard is razed to the ground.
    It's more like your grandmother just stabbed me in the back five minutes ago and is now lying through her teeth that it was self-defence. I am pretty freaking angry about it but it's still unfair to blame you for believing your grandmother over me.
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    Player Shirobi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExKage View Post
    So if someone just stabbed you in the back 5 minutes ago, you would be able to forgive them for it? Their family and friends insist on a set of lies to paint you as the bad man, you'd just be able to forgive them in just 5 min?

    Keep in mind that not all dragons did are in the war. It's only Nidhogg's brood. The others are just apathetic to whether or not Ishgard is razed to the ground.
    True, but the dragons KNOW it wasnt "5 minutes ago" and they KNOW it wasnt the modern Ishgardians that did it. It still makes them seem childish and not able to control their emotions or use reason.
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    Except for Nidhogg. Morality and Ethics are a foren concept to him entierly.

    If he wanted a just revenge, He'd have burned down Ishguard, Killed Haldrith and the remaining Knights, took his eyes back and went home 1000 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    Snip.
    For one thing, technically the war against the dragons started with the Allagan's, whom are widely portrayed to be evil, for some reason. However, keep in mind it is stated that Midgardsormr and his brood came from the stars while the Allagans were already here on this planet. That's right. Midgardsormr and Bahamut, mostly Bahamut, basically invaded the planet and started carving out chunks of land for habitation. Yes, yes, what the allagans did with the dragons they captured is horrible, but I can hardly blame them for defending themselves against invaders.... least of all invaders from space.
    Because Dragons have an immortal memory and the emotional maturity of a pre-schooler, they never let that grudge go, and distrusted the Elezen from the start.

    It should also be noted that we do not know the whole story.

    The fragments that the echo showed us came from Hraesvelgr's memories and a brief snippet that occurs after the battle with Nidhogg and then given a tiny summary of why they might have done it. It's assumed, post echo snippets, that the king Theodan coveted the Dragon's eyes and power, but there's no word on why, what gave him the idea, or how the actual battle occurred. The guilt of the surviving members of the 13 knight would seem to point guilt at Theodan's feet, but, even then, it's difficult to tell if they feel guilty because of what Theodan had them do, or because they couldn't save their fallen members from Nidhogg's wrath.

    Also, keep in mind Nidhogg is clearly portrayed to have hated the Elezen from the onset and was merely waiting for them to give him an excuse to attack. The Hraesvelgr memory of eyeless Nidhogg makes it plain as day that Nidhogg was expecting the Elezen to be treacherous, telling Hraesvelgr that he warned him they would. He then goes so far as to complain that if Hreaesvelgr was not "enchanted" by Shiva he would have seen that the Elezen were enemies from the start. They made it sound as though he had been actively attempting to sway Hraesvelgr's opinion form the word go, and merely needed the right evidence. After all is said and done, Hraesvelgr simply takes Nidhogg's word for it, but the truth is that we don't really know what happened. The Echo did not show us the actual battle. All we have to go on is assumptions made after the fact. For all we know, Nidhogg could have orchestrated the whole thing just to create a catalyst for a war he wanted from the start.
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