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[Konachibi]

what is wrong with you people???? you don't reward people for making a craptastic game and then who move at a snails pace trying to cover up the old crap while making slightly better crap at the same time. there is a reason this game is FREE TO PLAY - GET A CLUE!!!!! And please spare me and the rest of the sensible people from your white-knighting, were just not interested.

Age Of Conan - Free to play - 1 million players - Bugged gameplay and class mechanics
Warhammer Online - Free to play - 500,000 players - Bugged.... everything
City Of Heroes - Free to play - 500,000 players - Bugged everything in spandex
World Of Warcraft - Free to play - 8 million players - Worst MMO community ever
Global Agenda - Free to play - 200,000 players - Doesn't like if you don't pay though
Champions Online - Free to play - 500,000 players - Bugged and never really went anywhere
Eve Online - Pay to play - 100,000 players - Always getting content, no real game-breaking bugs

Notice how the one people pay for has less players?

Not that I'm knocking Eve Online all that much, it's a fun game, just a teenie bit too ruthless for my liking.

But saying Free To Play = Bad Game is err... wrong, quite wrong, and very completely totally wrong.

And if you think it's taking SE such a 'long time' to fix up a few things people didn't like, why not go and code up all these fixes yourself? Clearly by your comment you know some way of making changes such as the ones in 1.19 faster to do otherwise you wouldn't be able to regard it as slow.

Oh and if you think the game is 'craptastic', why are you playing it in the first place?

Answer all of these question with a relevant and justifiable answer and you MAY be able to prove a point.

[Altera]

I know I myself was looking for a new MMORPG when I felt WOW just wasnt delivering anymore. And when people find something they truly enjoy, I think is quite reasonable that people want to make sure it keeps on living so they can continue playing what they enjoy rather then see it die.

And if you call Yoshi-Ps team slow as snails, you prolly havent played WOW before, where if something was broken, you sometimes had to wait 4-6 months for it to be resolved. WOW has also been around for 7 whole years, and still theres things that isnt perfect yet, and Blizzard tends to steal ideas from other MMO's instead of making up their own unique ideas to keep people from complaining.

What I find hilarious is that players has since launch, begged Blizzard for more character customizations, and in about 3-4months time, they are implementing a system that I think EverQuest have. Transmogrification or whatever its called.

Thats 6 years waiting time for people to be able to change the looks of their gear. Now THAT is what I would call SLOOOOW

[Fullmetal]

Age Of Conan - Free to play - 1 million players - Bugged gameplay and class mechanics
Warhammer Online - Free to play - 500,000 players - Bugged.... everything
City Of Heroes - Free to play - 500,000 players - Bugged everything in spandex
World Of Warcraft - Free to play - 8 million players - Worst MMO community ever
Global Agenda - Free to play - 200,000 players - Doesn't like if you don't pay though
Champions Online - Free to play - 500,000 players - Bugged and never really went anywhere
Eve Online - Pay to play - 100,000 players - Always getting content, no real game-breaking bugs

Notice how the one people pay for has less players?

Not that I'm knocking Eve Online all that much, it's a fun game, just a teenie bit too ruthless for my liking.

But saying Free To Play = Bad Game is err... wrong, quite wrong, and very completely totally wrong.

And if you think it's taking SE such a 'long time' to fix up a few things people didn't like, why not go and code up all these fixes yourself? Clearly by your comment you know some way of making changes such as the ones in 1.19 faster to do otherwise you wouldn't be able to regard it as slow.

Oh and if you think the game is 'craptastic', why are you playing it in the first place?

Answer all of these question with a relevant and justifiable answer and you MAY be able to prove a point.

I dont have to prove anything, the fact that is game is free and that they are remaking the entire thing because, due to their own admission, the game sucks, is enough proof. Go play some well known and populated MMOs and you will see how quickly their dev teams get stuff done. Pretty desperate how you would defend their slow development team and then invoke the "coding" argument. It's gamers like you that should take some blame for the poor state of the game.

[Arteliex]

I dont have to prove anything, the fact that is game is free and that they are remaking the entire thing because, due to their own admission, the game sucks, is enough proof. Go play some well known and populated MMOs and you will see how quickly their dev teams get stuff done. Pretty desperate how you would defend their slow development team and then invoke the "coding" argument. It's gamers like you that should take some blame for the poor state of the game.

What you say might have a point... if it were just a "few bugs" they were trying to work out. But no, in case you've forgotten or misread or are blind or all that mindless fishing has indeed made you mindless mr. FSH rank 44... they are trying to fix the ENTIRE GAME! Its more than just a few bugs and a few lines of code. Nuh uh, they are trying to fix and implement GAME CHANGING MECHANICS. You know, like, changing the way the game is played. That takes time and effort and money... oh yeah...free to play... with such major updating, and no real revenue coming in for it, its not such a giant intellectual leap to understand that it could take a bit of time.

If you consider us white-knighting, then go ahead. I love Square-Enix. I love their games. I love their chocobos. I'd have their cactuar babies, no matter how painful (and I'm a guy :/). I didn't play this game from the start, but I've followed it. I'm willing to SUPPORT the company and the game without constantly bashing them and their dev team. Its not like they WANT the game to be free to play. No, i seriously doubt that. I'm sure they want to take our money as fast as possible, which means, they will be working on all these updates as fast as they can.

Sheesh, they're doing the best they can.

[Fullmetal]

yes, majestic white-knight who is so noble, go ahead and defend that wonderful - nay perfect - multimillion dollar company. They truly care about you and feel warm and fuzzy inside when you run to their defense armed with your best finger paintings from first grade. hey, did you turn your hand into a turkey? nice job!

[Konachibi]

I dont have to prove anything, the fact that is game is free and that they are remaking the entire thing because, due to their own admission, the game sucks, is enough proof. Go play some well known and populated MMOs and you will see how quickly their dev teams get stuff done. Pretty desperate how you would defend their slow development team and then invoke the "coding" argument. It's gamers like you that should take some blame for the poor state of the game.

I've played every game I named on that list, plus at least 20 other MMO's ranging from commercial to free2play korean-made.
I remember when Wrath Of The Lich King came out, and Paladins became over-powered in all aspects of PvP, people screeeeaaaamed to Blizz to nerf them back down, y'know how long it took them to finall FIX their own mistake? TWO YEARS!
Then also around early Wrath Of The Lich King arcane mages became over-powered too. Wanna know how long it took them to fix that mistake? THEY HAVEN'T YET.
Warhammer Online had a bug in beta where a character would get it's foot stuck inside a rock and the only way to fix it was to log out and log back in, that problem was also still there at launch. Wanna know how long it took Mythic Entertainment to fix that? NEVER, IT'S STILL THERE!
Same could be said about bugs in Age Of Conan, same for Champions Online, same for City Of Heroes, same for every other mmo I could name.

In comparison the fixes S.E are throwing out to fix both big and small things in this game are like lightning!

And I'm to blame for the poor state of the game? Only thing I believe I've been to blame for so far was healing people when I notice they're in trouble, giving people the protect and shell buff from conjury when they're standing around at camps, assisting my linkshell in aquiring and repairing equipment, and socialising with other people I meet in the game that take the time to talk. Are you saying that my kind-hearted and friendly demeanor is somehow BREAKING the game for everyone and that your aggressive "I think it's all wrong" attitude is somehow benefitting the game as a whole?

I spoke of code and the lengthy difficult time it takes to adjust because I've looked at code and indeed attempted to change and adjust it myself. Did you know the .exe file itself holds thousand upon thousand upon thousands of lines of code, and if just one single digit in that myriad of letters and numbers is wrong, it could affect the entire games operation in an incredibly negative way and even cause largescale problems with the computer itself just from trying to operate the faulty .exe?

CCP made this mistake with a patch for EVE Online, one small line of coding wasn't done right and the patch deleted an important windows operating file. when the computer restarted it couldn't reboot again, it cost CCP a LOT of money to repair those people's computers all because they'd missed out a '/' in the patch coding. Seriously.

Use head first, type keys later.

[Fullmetal]

I've played every game I named on that list, plus at least 20 other MMO's ranging from commercial to free2play korean-made.
I remember when Wrath Of The Lich King came out, and Paladins became over-powered in all aspects of PvP, people screeeeaaaamed to Blizz to nerf them back down, y'know how long it took them to finall FIX their own mistake? TWO YEARS!
Then also around early Wrath Of The Lich King arcane mages became over-powered too. Wanna know how long it took them to fix that mistake? THEY HAVEN'T YET.
Warhammer Online had a bug in beta where a character would get it's foot stuck inside a rock and the only way to fix it was to log out and log back in, that problem was also still there at launch. Wanna know how long it took Mythic Entertainment to fix that? NEVER, IT'S STILL THERE!
Same could be said about bugs in Age Of Conan, same for Champions Online, same for City Of Heroes, same for every other mmo I could name.

In comparison the fixes S.E are throwing out to fix both big and small things in this game are like lightning!

And I'm to blame for the poor state of the game? Only thing I believe I've been to blame for so far was healing people when I notice they're in trouble, giving people the protect and shell buff from conjury when they're standing around at camps, assisting my linkshell in aquiring and repairing equipment, and socialising with other people I meet in the game that take the time to talk. Are you saying that my kind-hearted and friendly demeanor is somehow BREAKING the game for everyone and that your aggressive "I think it's all wrong" attitude is somehow benefitting the game as a whole?

I spoke of code and the lengthy difficult time it takes to adjust because I've looked at code and indeed attempted to change and adjust it myself. Did you know the .exe file itself holds thousand upon thousand upon thousands of lines of code, and if just one single digit in that myriad of letters and numbers is wrong, it could affect the entire games operation in an incredibly negative way and even cause largescale problems with the computer itself just from trying to operate the faulty .exe?

CCP made this mistake with a patch for EVE Online, one small line of coding wasn't done right and the patch deleted an important windows operating file. when the computer restarted it couldn't reboot again, it cost CCP a LOT of money to repair those people's computers all because they'd missed out a '/' in the patch coding. Seriously.

Use head first, type keys later.

Try to make your points more brief, no one wants to read a long, rambling wall of text. Also, everyone these days can code and hack, so no, I'm not impressed at all by your comments. I'm not going through this point-by-point and correcting you either, waste of time.

[Konachibi]

Try to make your points more brief, no one wants to read a long, rambling wall of text. Also, everyone these days can code and hack, so no, I'm not impressed at all by your comments. I'm not going through this point-by-point and correcting you either, waste of time.

I had to make it long and informative, because making it short and to the point didn't seem to get through that narrow mind of yours.

I also at no point in my 'wall of text' attempted to impress anyone with comments, I merely stated facts.

And you can't go through point-by-point to correct me, because there's nothing to correct.

Simply, if you don't like this game, which you obviously don't give how much rage and hate you're throwing at it, go play something more your style.

Might I suggest World Of Warcraft, you'll fit right in with their community.

[Altera]

I dont find SE slow. Blizzard on the other hand, thats slow.

PS Fullmetal, list the names of other mmos you play. That the devteam are lightning fast in fixing/updating/new content release.

And if you absolutly HATE this CRAPtastic game and their slow devs, while it doesnt cost you any money playing it. WHY are you playing it? Are you a masochist and love selfinflicting pain on yourself?

I ended up hating Blizzard and WOW, and I left once I found a suitable replacement rather then moaning on their forums.
And as Konachibi said about Mages and paladins, same thing was regarding Unholy DKs at Cataclysm release. And I was on the betatesting and told Blizzard devs, this will be too powerful in live. And others who had Unholy DK as their main like myself said the same, and what did Blizzard do 3 months later after Beta was over?

Yup, Unholy DK was released unchanged, superpowerful, whinefest quickly ensued, and they ended up nerfing Dks way too much then next day. And the overkill nerf made DKs bottom of the damage dealers for 3-4months. During that time there was not a single post from blizzard devs about what their plans were to fix the overnerf.
And all they did to make DKs on par with other classes, after 3 months of planning. Yup just upping the amount of Strenght we got from Unholy Might. From 5% to 20%.

At least SE has admitted they had done a big mistake while Blizzard doesnt admit anything bad they have done.

[Fullmetal]

lol @ all these white ponies.