Final Fantasy 14 is starting to lose appeal because...

[RylaiBluecrow]

...when you realize all people are forced to use the same set of uniform per patch

...when you realize there's no skill customization

...when you realize there's nothing to do other than doing expert roulette everyday

...when you realize the only thing other than leveling your main to 60 is to level your alt to 60

...when you realize that it's been almost 2 month since HW launched and you've paid the original game for 40 bucks and sub money for contents

[Rakeesh]

The point being, the game is still up and has been on a subscription for 13 years and gave a variety of content, rather than 2 dungeons, 1 raid, which get outdated in 3 months, compared to the countless other mmos that are released and completely die off/f2p in 1-3 years. Know why there wasn't an expansion from the end of 2007 to 2013? Resources and funding were shifted towards 1.0 and 2.0. Yes, the game you talked about losing so many players, funded XIV not once, but twice, while still giving us things like Abyssea, voidwatch and other things. XIV's got full funding and can't even give us more than 2 dungeons and 1 raid that are thrown out in 3 months.

You see... the problem is I don't want the same content to last me years. I want new dungeons and raids. I want new content at a steady pace. I want to gear up my characters in new and shiny gear and smash my head against raid bosses.I know that might come as a shock to you but I like the game the way it is. It's not perfect but it's a far cry from bad.

I do not want to farm equipment for months that will not change for years on end. If FF14 added stuff like that I would unsub and go to another game that offers the gameplay that I want. If a game doesn't offer what I want I go out and try a new game. I do not cry for the game to change to something it isn't.

It's called voting with your wallet. If the developers see enough people unsubscribing for the same reasons, they might consider changing certain elements of the game.

To bring up World of Warcraft again. This expansion the devs there announced they don't plan to continue adding flight in future expansions ever again. A week later they completely reversed their stance of 'no flying ever again' to 'we will allow you to fly please come back ;.;'.

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

You honestly can't say "oh people loved FF11 and kept playing and subbing to it" and when you look at the actual data, they lost so many players they had to shut down half their servers and barely invested any more resources in new content.

As much as you might not want to admit it. Obysuca is right. FFXI was one of the most popular MMOs at the time. It took them something like 10 years before they had to merge servers. I played it for 3 years and still didn't experience everything in the game. It took me 2.5 weeks to experience everything Heavensward had to offer, mainly because everything is just so easy and one-shottable on duty finder.

FFXI might not have been more fun than FFXIV. But it was definately fun for longer than 2 months.

[Fyce]

...when you realize all people are forced to use the same set of uniform per patch

...when you realize there's no skill customization

...when you realize there's nothing to do other than doing expert roulette everyday

...when you realize the only thing other than leveling your main to 60 is to level your alt to 60

...when you realize that it's been almost 2 month since HW launched and you've paid the original game for 40 bucks and sub money for contents

Can you exactly explain why are you playing that game if what you only strive for is leveling a combat character and then go look for some stuff?
You are complaining about the lack of useful alternative equipement, about the lack of skill customization, about the grinding element being poor... You are complaining about the heart of the game, its fundamentals. Yet you're still here instead of playing something else. I don't get it.

[RylaiBluecrow]

Snip.

Because raiding and friends. And what makes you think I'm not playing other games besides this one? What makes you think that you have a say in what I spend 13 bucks on per month just to talk to people I know and raid with them?

[Rakeesh]

As much as you might not want to admit it. Obysuca is right. FFXI was one of the most popular MMOs at the time. It took them something like 10 years before they had to merge servers.

They actually did the first server merges in 2003. 3 servers went bye bye. It's true the next one was in 2010 so 8 years since launch.

I played it for 3 years and still didn't experience everything in the game.

Which again sounds terrible for new players. At least in my opinion.

It took me 2.5 weeks to experience everything Heavensward had to offer, mainly because everything is just so easy and one-shottable on duty finder.

Are we comparing several expansion packs of 11 with one expansion pack at release for 14 again?

[Fyce]

Because raiding and friends. And what makes you think I'm not playing other games besides this one? What makes you think that you have a say in what I spend 13 bucks on per month just to talk to people I know and raid with them?

I never said how you should spend your money, don't put words in my mouth just to make your point.

You are obviously limiting yourself about the stuff you want to do in the game, and then claim that the game doesn't have anything else to offer.
It's not the game's fault if you don't like PvP, crafting, glamour, housing, side activities (such as Triple Triad, Chocobo breeding...), collecting (minions/mounts), gathering, achievements...

Saying that the game has nothing else than eso grind and leveling a combat job to 60 while complaining about its core feature is ignorant at best, dishonest at worst.

[Adrasteia]

Really, I'd be fine with just having variability in the content we've got. The reason I'm bored a lot of the time running EXDR isn't solely because I'm doing Neverreap again, but because AI and spawn patterns are identical every time.

The reason that games like Team Fortress 2 and Counter-Strike are still jumpin' years and years after their release, even with no real new "content" (beyond the occasional mode like Mann vs. Machine), is because each game is fundamentally different from the last. I played TF2 for hours and hours and hours, and I still had fun with it. Part of it was because I was slowly gaining mastery playing a particular class (which is one of the big reasons I play FFXIV), but the other part was the variability present in each game. It wasn't possible to set my watch by anything that happened in the game: I had to constantly think on my feet, plan ahead, and make tactical decisions in response to changing circumstances. That's fun, because it engages one of the most fundamental human elements out there: creativity. I had to be creative to play TF2 and not get instantly blown to bits.

For all the griping I've done about Seal Rock, it's honestly the most fun thing the game's got going right now, and for that exact reason: I constantly have to evaluate my options and think creatively, both in macro (the position of spawn points, who's leading at the moment, etc.) and micro (fighting a small group or a big zerg and making individual skill choices) terms. I don't have to do that in Neverreap. I have the rotation of abilities that every boss and enemy does inscribed in stone in my head, and it's entirely muscle memory after that point. The most fun boss in the old HMs was definitely the dragon dude at the end of Stone Vigil HM, because it required you to pay close attention and think on your feet as you fought him. Working to innovate off of that should be the goal in future development, IMO.

[Ortamus]

I'm playing ESO at the same time as this. The quests there are so much varied. Popularity would tell you this was a far superior game but ESO is far more creative. One small mission has you choosing which way you want to go. Left was a route where you have to use stealth, right was a route where you have to avoid traps and work out the patterns. FFXIV however - Teleport, find a guy, read one thing he says, watch him walk 2 metres then disappear....Occasionally you kill something.

The only open world content are hunts and fates (which nobody does especially the level 59 stuff). All Eorzea is, is just one huge pretty waiting lobby. If it wasn't for the great people I've met, I'd be long gone. But hey, 236,192 talked love for Yoshida so the game isn't anything less than perfect.

[Daralii]

The only open world content are hunts and fates (which nobody does especially the level 59 stuff). All Eorzea is, is just one huge pretty waiting lobby. If it wasn't for the great people I've met, I'd be long gone. But hey, 236,192 talked love for Yoshida so the game isn't anything less than perfect.

Branching stuff like that in ESO is very rare, with the vast majority of quests just being formulaic fetch/kill quests. Unless things have changed from when I last played it, the only open world content after questing is anchors which you just do once for map completion.