Just need to vent...

[Kapiz]

adders are bad during day, beasts during midnight - early mornings.

[TiaHariberux3]

adders are bad during day, beasts during midnight - early mornings.

Not really except you get Odin premade in 8vs8vs8 and even then they lose sometimes against pugs.

[Kapiz]

Not really except you get Odin premade in 8vs8vs8 and even then they lose sometimes against pugs.

YMMV.
the ones I've been with aren't even premades, just the usual pug people

[Yaichiro]

Not really except you get Odin premade in 8vs8vs8 and even then they lose sometimes against pugs.

The odin pre made don't run as often as you think. I have changed to adders couple days ago and I can tell you adders aren't as bad as you think. In all my games we are attacked by both GC simultaneously several times which makes us lose by being overpowered by the two GCs. That's why it doesn't happen in early mornings since you can defend well even with both GCs attacking you since matches are 8vs8vs8 during morning.

I came to a conclusion that Adders are the favourite target of both flame and mael.

[Guesswhat]

...In all my games we are attacked by both GC simultaneously several times which makes us lose by being overpowered by the two GCs...

Yes, this is true. I remember it well. No place to hide. Not ALL the time though. But as I'm in mael now I don't find this to be true. Even when we have the perfect opportunity to, we don't do it. I occasionally say in chat "flank flames now", or "flank bladders now", but most of the time we let a perfect opportunity pass us by.

[TiaHariberux3]

I came to a conclusion that Adders are the favourite target of both flame and mael.

I know they do like 20 games in a week. Yeah u can defend pretty well against 2 GCs but u get rekt by premades http://puu.sh/kdVEH.jpg I wouldnt recommend 8vs8vs8 for Pugs its just slaughter. Yes adder is kinda bad if we notice u are weak we will just "farm" adder in 72/24. Also in 72 we survive attacked from both GCs often cause we save our lb for things like this getting attacked from both isnt something what will make u lose if u know how to avoid it. Agree adder is our favourite target alot of people hate them so they are happy when we have to push u.

[Guesswhat]

http://puu.sh/kdVEH.jpg

That looks like premde alright. Kinda disappointing you had deaths lol. My premades have been nothing like this. T_T

[TiaHariberux3]

That looks like premde alright. Kinda disappointing you had deaths lol. My premades have been nothing like this. T_T

Well our whm dps (almost got battle high lol)+ adder had 3 healer so when both attacked us deaths happened but thats not what I wanted to say I just dont like the idea that premades can play against Pugs in 8vs8vs8- I mean you dont really want to wait 40-60min for a match just to get this. I never soloqueue again at morning cause 8vs8vs8 is always bad (several matches with 0 points)

[kensatsu]

I am Adders since the begining in chaos, i can tell you,
Adders was going good when we was doing secure, bad when the slaughter come out, then better... The same when this new pvp come out. even worst , with the new pvp mode.
In all new pvp release we get a lot of new players trying the new mode.
We was realy bad two month ago. (hopefully we have good groups atm)
But yeah we got often sandwiched by the two GCs, but i don't think it's because Mael And flamme think we are easy to take or bad. We are certainly hated from immortal and mael and hate is old, Adders is hated since Secure Pvp^^

[Guesswhat]

adders are bad during day, beasts during midnight - early mornings.

hmmm... Unless I were extremely unlucky, I did not find this true during my latest adders session. To be fair though, iirc, most of my wins occurred during late evenings/nights.

we make premade but we only got 1 pop for waiting 2-3-4 hrs so we just stop doing premade

Yes, this was an issue. At least pre-3.0 it was like this for us. I dunno how queue times for premades are now. Being premade on chaos+adders in this regards actually makes a lot of sense. As adders have amazing queue times compared to flames and mael on chaos.