Final Fantasy 14 is starting to lose appeal because...

[Kyri]

And do you also remember if all that content was available on release of the first expansion or was that added during the course of it's lifetime? Same with "or you went into the CoP zones" which was from a seperate expansion than the first one?

Nostalgia glasses are fine and all but try to keep the content comparisons realistic. You can't compare the content of several expansions to the the first expansion of an MMO with no content patches released yet. That's just plain unfair.

My comparison is completely fair. FFXIV:ARR was launched on August 27th, 2013. That is two years ago, also evidenced by the two-year anniversary "The Rising" event. FFXI launched on May 16th, 2002. By 2004, Rise of the Zilart and Chains of Promathia were already released. How am I being unfair? They have had equivalent lifetimes in making these comparisons. I suppose I could discount activities after CoP as being invalidated by lifecycle, but even then you still had Dynamis, Limbus, Sky, Sea, Zilart HNMs, etc.

It's also quite unfair of you to state that FFXIV has had absolutely no content patches. There have been TONS of content patches. Adding Leviathan was it's own content patch. Same for Ramuh. Labyrinth of the Ancients. Syrcus Tower. World of Darkness. Second Coil. Final Coil. Before the Fall. In all of these patches, old content is rendered obsolete and only the newer content matters anymore. There is no replay value to ANYTHING in this game. This is a statement that cannot be said of FFXI.

[Rakeesh]

My comparison is completely fair. FFXIV:ARR was launched on August 27th, 2013. That is two years ago, also evidenced by the two-year anniversary "The Rising" event. FFXI launched on May 16th, 2002. By 2004, Rise of the Zilart and Chains of Promathia were already released. How am I being unfair? They have had equivalent lifetimes in making these comparisons. I suppose I could discount activities after CoP as being invalidated by lifecycle, but even then you still had Dynamis, Limbus, Sky, Sea, Zilart HNMs, etc.

Both of those expansion packs were commercially available. So inside of two years you had the price of base game + subscription+expansion 1+ expansion 2. In Japan at least.

Now on ARR you had base game + subscription for two years. And if I remember correctly when FF14 ARR came out it wasn't even a full price title like other MMOs. It was cheaper than an expansion of WoW.

So you have the trade-off of having paid more money for more content.

It's also quite unfair of you to state that FFXIV has had absolutely no content patches. There have been TONS of content patches. Adding Leviathan was it's own content patch. Same for Ramuh. Labyrinth of the Ancients. Syrcus Tower. World of Darkness. Second Coil. Final Coil. Before the Fall. In all of these patches, old content is rendered obsolete and only the newer content matters anymore. There is no replay value to ANYTHING in this game. This is a statement that cannot be said of FFXI.

Pay attention. I said first expansion with no content patches out yet. Heavensward is Heavensward and ARR is ARR. The problem is, you don't like the sort of game FF14 is and want it to be like FF11. On the other hand, I like the kind of game FF14 is and don't like what I'm reading about FF11. I don't mind old content becoming obsolete over time.

Do I think FF14 is perfect? Nope. Not at all. Would have been nice if there was a third or fourth dungeon in the Expert Roulette. Is it a deal breaker for me? Nope.

If they keep the patch release schedule for Heavensward close to the one they had in ARR I'm a happy camper. New content every 3 to 4 months is fine with me.

I meah... hell, compared to World of Warcraft the old content in FF14 is way more relevant to current content. At least you have the option to run roulettes with the old dungeons to farm at least some points. In WoW. It's dungeons from the current expansion or nothing, you don't even get the option anymore to queue for them.