Savage - A1/2 vs A3/4 - To big of a jump?

[stephenjd3]

Our group set up: PLD WAR MNK NIN SMN BRD WHM SCH
Optimal group set up: DRK WAR DRG NIN BLM BRD WHM SCH.

Game shouldn't be set up in such a way that using one certain group set up which the community has determined the best cuts off so much time to clearing the zone.

What the hell? Groups have downed A3s with that set up.....this is clearly a player issue.
LOOK AT THAT same composition as you guys, except your posting on the forums complaining to the world about how its impossible with your composition in the words of the all powerful and wise Yoshi-P "Get Good"

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...n-Thread/page8

[Zumi]

That's not a composition issue, but a player issue.

I really doubt that seeing how beat every other coil pre nerf and pre catch up patch. Just hitting walls with dps checks on A3 have no issue with mechanics otherwise. We raid about 2 hours a week though so if it doesn't get done in that time then it won't get done.

LOOK AT THAT same composition as you guys, except your posting on the forums complaining to the world about how its impossible with your composition in the words of the all powerful and wise Yoshi-P "Get Good"

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...n-Thread/page8

I looked though that post I see 1 group with that set up beat it. I am probably like one of the best players that plays paladin out there so player skill on my part isn't the issue. Most of the groups do have stuff like a drg which offers you higher group dps and makes the fight easier.

[Metterschlingel]

Zumi, your group isnt playing optimally then. We can pass the Hand-DPS check even with MNK, BRD, SMN, SMN (our dps setups vary on who is available each week) without LB. A3S is the first relevant encounter in the game which shows you how bad you really are and that you have to "git gud". Nobody cares about any coil stuff anymore and if you cleared it prenerf or whatever.

[stephenjd3]

I looked though that post I see 1 group with that set up beat it. I am probably like one of the best players that plays paladin out there so player skill on my part isn't the issue. Most of the groups do have stuff like a drg which offers you higher group dps and makes the fight easier.

I literally found that example on my servers last a3s kill on the progression thread. I DIDNT EVEN LOOK. I understand players like you need to keep finding excuses to make yourselves feel better.

This is not coil anymore. A3S is harder then any fight coil offered (excluding Savage coil in i110)

Here you want to see that its player skill holding you back? http://www.fflogs.com/rankings/7#boss=20&metric=speed go through as many groups as possible , there's quite a few groups that downed it with your setup, weeks ago, meaning they had less gear then you do.

Better yet prove to us right now, your group is performing optimally post a parse of your groups dps at HOP, and I will guarantee you, you guys are not performing to standard.

[MrTherm]

Before we start comparing parses, i think everyone missed an important thing Zumi said. They only do raids for 2 hours a week. Its very understandable for them to be having difficulty in A3S. There is a lot of mechanics to learn in that fight and it does require a lot of time to practice. How many hours have most clear groups put in towards progression?

Zumi's group seems to be a good example of how the lack of "mid-core" content is effecting raiders. Well. Maybe its just lack of content in general. Still underwhelmed at the amount of content in HW.

[SpookyGhost]

Our group set up: PLD WAR MNK NIN SMN BRD WHM SCH
Optimal group set up: DRK WAR DRG NIN BLM BRD WHM SCH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqnwxWjQGI4

Good luck out there.

[Pots_Talos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqnwxWjQGI4

Good luck out there.

That's some good PLD dps.

[Skapoc]

The reason the difficulty spike is so high in A3S is that it is the first fight in this game that has a mechanic check, a healer check, multiple tight dps checks, and a tank check. Every other fight failed to bring these together, and because it brings all of this together, it is IMO the best fight in the game. It is literally a static killer just because it will show you the weak link in your group very very fast.

[MrTherm]

The reason the difficulty spike is so high in A3S is that it is the first fight in this game that has a mechanic check, a healer check, multiple tight dps checks, and a tank check. Every other fight failed to bring these together, and because it brings all of this together, it is IMO the best fight in the game. It is literally a static killer just because it will show you the weak link in your group very very fast.

Not trying to be an ashat but you are just beating a dead horse with that one and its a bit off topic of the point i was trying (and failed it seems) to make.

Short recap of thread - they didn't make enough content endgame content regardless of its for casual/mid/high tier players. They didn't separate the mid/high tier content so a lot of high end raiders complain about the joke that is A1S/A2S and mid tier cry that they can't do A3S-A4S. More and properly separated content would fix this.

[dspguy]

To me, A3S seems to require nearly the same perfection as T11, 12 and 13. Of course, I'm talking about before everyone was fully i130 and you could afford to lose someone to stupid death. All of those mechanics were unforgiving. And if you were "too careful" with preparing for mechanics and losing uptime on the boss, you'd fail to meet the DPS check.