What does Heavensward actually bring to the table as an expansion?

[Kosmos992k]

Again, what are you to do besides this "gear threadmill" when the game is build around it with it's ilvl and quickly releasing and dumping equipment so fast, redo the content that no one is doing? level all the jobs to 60?, run Bismark and Ravana that also barely anyone is doing? the chore that has also become crafting? farm glamours?

Oh please. "what are you to do?" I guess if you pretend that the only part of the game that exists is top tier end game, but then that is in truth a small fraction of the game. If YOU choose to limit YOUR focus and scope in the game to 5% of the game, then YOU have done this to YOURSELF, hence a self inflicted wound.

[Tenku]

White knights in this thread are the reason why Square Enix gets away with releasing bad content. I love Square Enix and I love Final Fantasy 14, but come on, they are getting away with releasing really terrible and repetitive content. Where are the open world dungeons? How about updating the map to make it seem like the world is seamless? Airships aren't even real airships in this game because you can't fly all over the world without being instanced. There's really no point to explore the world in this game.

[Tyla_Esmeraude]

I see, so people who are trying to keep up with the Jones have to rush to keep up with highly subjective and utterly baseless measures of progress?

All I can say is that this is yet anorher self inflicted wound. Ever since I stepped off the gear grind treadmill I have enjoyed the game far more. Perhap you should all do likewise. Chasing such imaginary progress targets is like chasing the wind.

If you aren't here for epic boss fights, having fun with people trying to beat these epic fights and get gear to become stronger to try beat more difficult meanie bosses, why are you playing an FF game then?! Gear is important in an RPG. Also, what Evtrai said.

If I wanted a dress up game I'd have gone play another game! I've also done housing, do gathering and crafting. Guess what, it's not fun for everyone. I certainly don't limit my focus yet I too agree with the posters you disagree with. There is NOT enough worthwile content in the game to do and when we try to (primals) there is not enough interest because guess wut, gear got oudated in less than what a fly can fly and apparently not many people are interested in vanity stuff enough to do it. Ohhhhhhh.

Namely Korean MMO's with a glamour cash shop.

Oh those are the worst. > I feel korean mmos have a lot potential but they completely get ruined with that F2P model.

[Evtrai]

Oh please. "what are you to do?" I guess if you pretend that the only part of the game that exists is top tier end game, but then that is in truth a small fraction of the game. If YOU choose to limit YOUR focus and scope in the game to 5% of the game, then YOU have done this to YOURSELF, hence a self inflicted wound.

It would be more helpful and interested if you detailed on what this consisted besides those baseless counter-arguments.

If you aren't here for epic boss fights, having fun with people trying to beat these epic fights and get gear to become stronger to try beat more difficult meanie bosses, why are you playing an FF game then?! Gear is important in an RPG. Also, what Evtrai said.

If I wanted a dress up game I'd have gone play another game! I've also done housing, do gathering and crafting. Guess what, it's not fun for everyone. I certainly don't limit my focus yet I too agree with the posters you disagree with. There is NOT enough worthwile content in the game to do and when we try to (primals) there is not enough interest because guess wut, gear got oudated in less than what a fly can fly and apparently not many people are interested in vanity stuff enough to do it. Ohhhhhhh.

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Namely Korean MMO's with a glamour cash shop.

[Kosmos992k]

It would be more helpful and interested if you detailed on what this consisted besides those baseless counter-arguments.

crafting
Gathering
Leveling and playing your other classes/jobs
Sightseeing log
Gold saucer
Collect every minion
Collect all mounts
Perfect your glamour
House purchase and decor
beast tribe quests
Hunts
Become rich
Craft and pentameld the ultimate craftable gear
Max out your relics
Teach others
Mentor
Make new friends
Talk to folks
Treasure Maps
Seasonal events
Chocobo breeding/racing
Train your chocobo to lvl 20
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[Tenku]

crafting (for what?)
Gathering (tedious and runs out fast cause crafts takes 5 mats per of same type, for example mythrite nugget)
Leveling and playing your other classes/jobs (no point to play more than 1 dow/dom class if you are trying to be great at once and master the rotation for crap like Alex Savage)
Sightseeing log (can easily be done in a few days)
Gold saucer (no prizes that are valuable or worth getting)
Collect every minion (this isn't pokemon)
Collect all mounts (no point when you can't even have your chocobo out at the same time as your mount)
Perfect your glamour (looks can only take you so far)
House purchase and decor (impossible to purchase a house because none are available. Housing is instanced, defeats the purpose of housing)
beast tribe quests (pointless, does not add to end-game progression)
Hunts (do it for a week and you don't ever have to do it again)
Become rich (why? so I don't have to do #1 and #2 on your list?
Craft and pentameld the ultimate craftable gear (they aren't needed to do the highest craft so why?)
Max out your relics (the glamour doesn't look as good as the hive weapons for my class so why?)
Teach others (hard to do when everything is instanced and you barely get to interact with the rest of the server)
Mentor (not many new players to mentor. newbie zones are dead)
Make new friends (instances and stuff that requires static parties prevents this)
Talk to folks (again, instances limit this)
Treasure Maps (RNG)
Seasonal events (Finish in less than an hour)
Chocobo breeding/racing (gold saucer, pointless)
Train your chocobo to lvl 20 (why?)

[savarna]

crafting
Gathering
Leveling and playing your other classes/jobs
Sightseeing log
Gold saucer
Collect every minion
Collect all mounts
Perfect your glamour
House purchase and decor
beast tribe quests
Hunts
Become rich
Craft and pentameld the ultimate craftable gear
Max out your relics
Teach others
Mentor
Make new friends
Talk to folks
Treasure Maps
Seasonal events
Chocobo breeding/racing
Train your chocobo to lvl 20
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You forgot to add taking the mount out for a walk/fly across those beautifully well crafted, barren and deserted areas



Otherwise, they'll get bored just like us.

[Lone-wolfe-02]

Where's the midcore content. SE catered to the causal and hardcore market but just forgets alot of people are midcore.

[DracotheDragon]

snip snip snippety list

crafting (a grind that a HUGE portion of the game dose not like)
Gathering (things gathered tend to be pointless and extremely tiering, everything that can be gathered takes specific timing and oh hey you tried once come back tomorrow)
Leveling and playing your other classes/jobs (if your trying to learn a class once you have a healer tank or DPS that you like playing maxed out and you want to play the end game content then there is no real reason to level the other classes lets not forget as well no-one does half the available fates so you can't beat it and level 50 dungeons give no EXP making it far more tedious, even then not everyone likes playing every class)
Sightseeing log (done very quickly.)
Gold saucer (once you have the Fenrir or turtle if you even wanted them, you have nothing here.)
Collect every minion (minions currently offer no value besides looks, and on the most part useless, there is also no reward for collecting minions)
Collect all mounts (most mounts are recolours, or most people have there chocobo out and can't use them.)
Perfect your glamour (glamour is expensive and the -in- looks will change with the next patch, and a lot of people do not care for glamours.)
House purchase and decor (on nearly EVERY SERVER you cannot buy a house)
beast tribe quests (done once and then completed)
Hunts (do it for a week or two and DONE)
Become rich (pointless, if you become 'rich' then you want for nothing this then trivialises saving gil to get something you wanted, but also means you won't wish to do anything else because you have the gil.)
Craft and pentameld the ultimate cartable gear (gear that is outgeared by endgame content and will be even more outdated with the next patch plus lets not forget the PURE RNG THAT DESTROYS THE MATERIA)
Max out your relics (once done theres no point also MOST stages of relic look identical and again not meny care for looks)
Teach others (no mentor system in this game and most 'newbie players' do not wish to be taught they wish to learn themselves or by there friends)
Mentor (look at above)
Make new friends (instanced servers make this difficult, and most people stick with there FC's it is extremely difficult to make friends in this game because everyone either can't here you or thinks your spamming the chat unless it's a rp server)
Talk to folks (most people put you on black list if you fill the chat log or ignore you)
Treasure Maps (pure RNG for items that do nothing.)
Seasonal events (done in ONE hour or less or your money back)
Chocobo breeding/racing (no point once you are higher up you will beat all NPC racers and not meny people do this so you will rarely play against a player meaning it is not fun)
Train your chocobo to lvl 20 (done once and never again and for 3 glamour on your chocobo that most do not notice use or like )

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beat me to it XD i went to the loo finished this and your post was above XD

[Alahra]

How is Alexander Normal a huge mistake when it is precisely what was requested by the community?

Depending on your perspective, we sort of lost a class of raid content when they added it. Alexander Savage is currently tuned like SCOB Savage (which was a tier above regular Coil), but Normal isn't tuned anywhere near the difficulty level of the old Coil raids. Players for whom Savage wasn't appealing but still wanted solid raiding content are sorta stuck in the middle now. Normal is pretty easy and the rewards are stop-gaps, and the Coil-equivalent gear is now locked behind the equivalent of the old "best of the best" tier, rather than the "standard" raid.