Just need to vent...

[Yaichiro]

People who change GC are the real problem as they rarely care about winning or play according to objectives. After all they swarm to the winning GC thinking they will be carried to their wins.

Everytime I have a match and I see flame members who I can recognise even across different servers I know we will win simply because they act according to objectives.

Adders don't necessarily win because they are good. It's just accepted that Flame considers mael a more reasonable GC that acts smart and can't be left alone to accumulate points. It's really easier to destroy adders on CHAOS compared to mael. In some of my matches we allow adders to reign at 1st place until mid fight when we change to farm kills from them while keeping a comfortable gap from mael.

[GrandScarlet]

That is literally how Mael thinks about flames too Yaichiro haha xD,we cant leave flames alone because we know they wont be dumb but then there is adders who just seem to do the dumbest things all the time

[Guesswhat]

Well its simple, theres a huge premade here on odin with the adders...

Yes, as Stupiduglytaru said, I noticed. It's very noticeable. Premades are very organized, the other GCs has next to 0% chance of winning. Too bad I never encountered 'em during my time in adders (I may have had 1 or 2 fight I guess, but they are premade for a reason). I just had an encounter with 'em, and based on how organized my GC is it may take away all the fun from the match.

Of course I'm aware that casuel gameplay victories will even out to a certain degree. The reason I felt the urge to vent now is because i couldn't recognize the adders I left lol.

[TiaHariberux3]

Adders don't necessarily win because they are good. It's just accepted that Flame considers mael a more reasonable GC that acts smart and can't be left alone to accumulate points. It's really easier to destroy adders on CHAOS compared to mael. In some of my matches we allow adders to reign at 1st place until mid fight when we change to farm kills from them while keeping a comfortable gap from mael.

"farm adders" common strat on chaos but sometimes people tunnel vision and keep killing adder while others take node and win. When u farm adder in 8vs8vs8 they even gave up and just dont attack u its kinda hilarious. lol

[TiaHariberux3]

Well its simple, theres a huge premade here on odin with the adders, with alot of solid players, not only that alot of people in the maelstrom, not sure about the flames, dont know how to play their class or even basic rotation and they afk for eso's. So when its these people up against the good Flames/Maelstrom members it is pretty easy for the adders to crush over alot of people. Its as you said, people swap all the time for wins, but they dont freaking realize THEY are the issue when it comes to wins, afking and feeding more than 5 times in the same game is ganna hamper your win rate by alot.

Edit: I haven't pvp'd in a while, so I dont know if its still the same, considering your complaint I assume not much has changed :P

I dont see adder winning often "huge odin premade" I think I met them like twice? xD If adder is winning then most of the time cause one gc chase the other one without reason.

[Yaichiro]

I dont see adder winning often "huge odin premade" I think I met them like twice? xD If adder is winning then most of the time cause one gc chase the other one without reason.

It's notable to mention they have a high winning rate in addition to fast queues. The odin pre made is real regardless of what we are saying and chances are you're going to lose if you face them. I am hoping with their win rate people will start changing to adders and thus fixing queue times.

By the way the pre made are mostly ex-flame and ex-mael veteran pvpers who changed for fast queues.

[TiaHariberux3]

It's notable to mention they have a high winning rate in addition to fast queues. The odin pre made is real regardless of what we are saying and chances are you're going to lose if you face them. I am hoping with their win rate people will start changing to adders and thus fixing queue times.

By the way the pre made are mostly ex-flame and ex-mael veteran pvpers who changed for fast queues.

Ofc they have a high winrate but most of the time you will face adder Pugs who are really bad also I said "adder" premades are a minority. I dont see why people should switch to adder cause they will rarely get into these "good" premades. Adder dont need a good premade what adder needs is a good leader with people who are actually listen to them. Sometimes they say "adder premade in this match" and both gc focus on adder in the end it was just pugs I feel bad for them lol

[Guesswhat]

...I dont see why people should switch to adder cause they will rarely get into these "good" premades. ...

But will the average pug know/consider this when he/she notice an increased winrate by adders? If no, and if the given pug wants a higher winrate they will change. But I don't think there are enough of these kind of players to really make a difference in queue times.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure Mael is the shittiest GC on Chaos atm. Haven't won a single match in over 2 days. By posting this I'm sure it'll change.
EDIT2: LMAO it worked xD. Finally a win!

[TiaHariberux3]

But will the average pug know/consider this when he/she notice an increased winrate by adders? If no, and if the given pug wants a higher winrate they will change. But I don't think there are enough of these kind of players to really make a difference in queue times.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure Mael is the shittiest GC on Chaos atm. Haven't won a single match in over 2 days. By posting this I'm sure it'll change.
EDIT2: LMAO it worked xD. Finally a win!

xD I dont notice a real difference between mael and adder since I won every match today in flames. Just look at chaos winrate there is almost no adder except the odin premade so probably mael isnt that bad xD

[Guesswhat]

xD I dont notice a real difference between mael and adder since I won every match today in flames. Just look at chaos winrate there is almost no adder except the odin premade so probably mael isnt that bad xD

Oh it's bad... Or maybe I'm extremely unlucky. Or perhaps I'm that bad I drag the rest of the GC with me.

Finding premade isn't easy. I did it once but they no longer play.