Sorry, but no tank should pure vit stack right side.

[Kerwin]

In a world where every single digit of dps you can bring matters (i.e., savage), STR on any tank is worth it. At least as many as your healers can handle while still dpsing.

On a regular trash gameplay (dungeons and such while overgeared), you could go full mind for better cures and still do it.

Have your tanks roll need on STR accessories then. Lol

Block percentage is only determined by the block ratings on your shields.

Also block % in damage, not rate Wings.

[Launched]

Have your tanks roll need on STR accessories then. Lol

You don't need to roll for Law or Alex NM accessories. Alex Savage will be done with a static and everyone will agree that tanks get STR drops after the melee DPS, plus they can be bought with books. Crafted accessories are also bought with gil, not rolled on.

[Kerwin]

You don't need to roll for Law or Alex NM accessories. Alex Savage will be done with a static and everyone will agree that tanks get STR drops after the melee DPS, plus they can be bought with books. Crafted accessories are also bought with gil, not rolled on.

I was implying that the system is not yet set for tanks to roll need on drops, regardless if the static permits a greed roll on it. Maybe the devs in the future will make tank accessories with STR to silence these petty arguments and pointless threads.

[Tyrial]

Also block % in damage, not rate Wings.

How many times do you need to be told before you'll understand? STR no longer changes anything when it comes to block or parry. They completely removed the benefit that STR gave to both block and parry mitigation when they released Heavensward.

Also, there's no reason why a PLD shouldn't swap to full (or at the very least, some) STR gear for bosses. Even a crappy healer should be able to keep up a Sword Oath PLD using STR stuff if the PLD is rotating CDs properly so why gimp your contribution to the group?

[ArdorGrey]

How many times do you need to be told before you'll understand? STR no longer changes anything when it comes to block or parry. They completely removed the benefit that STR gave to both block and parry mitigation when they released Heavensward.

Also, there's no reason why a PLD shouldn't swap to full (or at the very least, some) STR gear for bosses. Even a crappy healer should be able to keep up a Sword Oath PLD using STR stuff if the PLD is rotating CDs properly so why gimp your contribution to the group?

I honestly don't understand why people continue trying to have a rational discussion with that poster. They've made it clear they have no interest in such things.

[Kerwin]

Also, there's no reason why a PLD shouldn't swap to full (or at the very least, some) STR gear for bosses. Even a crappy healer should be able to keep up a Sword Oath PLD using STR stuff if the PLD is rotating CDs properly so why gimp your contribution to the group?

Sword Oathing any boss worth while is beyond stupid if your MTing Savage. And even if your are spanking some dungeon boss, a good DPS will rip enmity right off you if you tank in SO. What are you even saying?

How many times do you need to be told before you'll understand? STR no longer changes anything when it comes to block or parry. They completely removed the benefit that STR gave to both block and parry mitigation when they released Heavensward.

Then even more reason why PLD's should not stack STR. The only benifit you get out of it is a slight increase in DPS and enmity, and if enmity build is not a problem on full VIT, it then only comes down to one benefit (the damage). You are proving my point by stating this.

PLD = VIT > STR
WAR/DRK = STR > VIT

That is how it works.

[Tyrial]

Sword Oathing any boss worth while is beyond stupid if your MTing Savage. And even if your are spanking some dungeon boss, a good DPS will rip enmity right off you if you tank in SO. What are you even saying?

Then even more reason why PLD's should not stack STR. The only benifit you get out of it is a slight increase in DPS and enmity, and if enmity build is not a problem on full VIT, it then only comes down to one benefit (the damage). You are proving my point by stating this.

PLD = VIT > STR
WAR/DRK = STR > VIT

That is how it works.

Actually, you have no point.

Sword Oath is far from stupid if you meet two requirements: 1) You're not losing Enmity 2) Healer can handle your incoming damage. I've never (on both my PLD and my WAR) lost aggro to any DPS if I was actually attempting to maintain enmity. So what are YOU even saying? You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

As for your second bit, it's more than just a "slight" increase in DPS. You keep breaking the tank jobs into two groups, but the principle holds true for all three. If you're able to survive the worst attack that the encounter throws at you then there's no reason not to swap in more STR providing you're comfortable with your healer(s). It doesn't matter that WAR or DRK benefit more from the STR due to having AoE DPS and self heals that rely on damage done. All three tanks benefit from STR through increased damage output and as a result of that, increased enmity.

[Freyyy]

Sword Oathing any boss worth while is beyond stupid if your MTing Savage. And even if your are spanking some dungeon boss, a good DPS will rip enmity right off you if you tank in SO. What are you even saying?

You'll have trouble with AS3 DPS checks if you don't swap to Sword Oath as MT whenever you can. Shield Oath PLD DPS is so shitty right now.
And against a dungeon boss, a STR PLD shouldn't lose enmity even with a good DPS while tanking in SwO.
You're most likely a bad tank who doesn't even want to bother trying to actually maximize its efficiency as a job. Or maybe you just don't know what you're talking about.

[Eye_Gore]

And even if your are spanking some dungeon boss, a good DPS will rip enmity right off you if you tank in SO. What are you even saying?

This made me laugh, you funny.

[Sleigh]

Sword Oathing any boss worth while is beyond stupid if your MTing Savage. And even if your are spanking some dungeon boss, a good DPS will rip enmity right off you if you tank in SO. What are you even saying?

I'm really confused. Why is this beyond stupid? Especially with the gear we have at our disposal at this point.

Sword Oath over Shield Oath makes you do over 300 more DPS and is barely less survivability in practice. It has to be spike damage that will bring a Sword Oath PLD down in FFXIV, not sustained, and considering how scripted these fights are, you should always have a CD up for them. Even if your healers are DPSing a lot, there is no way a healer losing a few (and it really is just a few) GCDs over a long period of time to keep up a Sword Oath PLD can make up for the 300+ DPS gap between Sword and Shield.

Also, why is a PLD using VIT > a PLD using STR? PLD in excessive VIT won't let your healers do too much more DPS, damage incoming is just too low, but PLDs CAN pump out some legit DPS. A PLD in full STR spec + i150 accessory/i210 slaying hybrid is survivable enough to take on any encounter in the game. Yes, even Pepsiman and Faust's father in savage.