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  1. #141
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    Kalsam's Avatar
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    Kalsam Retritro
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    Brynhildr
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    The correct phrasing of that:

    if the tank dies, it's the healers fault
    If the healer dies, it's the tanks fault.
    if the DPS die, it's their own damn fault.
    Might be the correct phrasing, but the blame is given in the method I mentioned :P
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  2. #142
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    LunaSnowfield's Avatar
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    Nova Elysium
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    Balmung
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Tanking in this game is easy (DRK/WRD here) specially on dungeons.

    If people complains about long runs its because DPS are garbage. Honestly when im not DPS (My main job is NIN ) and im playing as tank, dps never uses LB, they never try to do it better. They just sit there auto-attacking a mob without even using their dots.
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    Last edited by LunaSnowfield; 09-11-2015 at 11:33 PM.

  3. #143
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    karateorangutang's Avatar
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    Character
    Celest Ru'milan
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    I log online and I go

    /FC Gonna go run expert who wants insta queue!

    and I get

    (Free Company Peeps) Sweet invite me!

    Then I run a dungeon and drink some kool-aid.
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  4. #144
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    sirDarts's Avatar
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    Elyza Arcanas
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    Phoenix
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by LunaSnowfield View Post
    Tanking in this game is easy (DRK/WRD here) specially on dungeons.

    If people complains about long runs its because DPS are garbage. Honestly when im not DPS (My main job is NIN ) and im playing as tank, dps never uses LB, they never try to do it better. They just sit there auto-attacking a mob without even using their dots.
    Tbh I am guilty of not using DoTs/Debuffs on trash when playing DRG. I just can't get myself to care enough to do it, it's effort on stuff that will likely die before the things finish ticking most of the time... :X
    On the other hand I would NEVER complain about the run taking long, and I will do my damnest to get as much DPS as I can on Bosses/DPS checks.
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  5. #145
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    Kienkarajo's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Kienkarajo Tekura
    World
    Cactuar
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    White Mage Lv 90
    I started to play as a tank because I wanted shorter wait queues but now I rather wait 10 minutes or more as a healer or a dps because of the people that you meet with the DF, if I want to relax I can play as a healer and I know that I have more control, even if we get a shitty tank most of the times I can handle it and I know that I will get all the recommendations, as a dps I only need to worry about my rotation and that's it. I now regret my choice because I invested all my esoterics and gear on my DRK and I don't even want to tank anymore, I should have stayed as a healer T_T
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  6. #146
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    Blissa's Avatar
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    Blissa Whitewolf
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    Leviathan
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    White Mage Lv 80
    Tanks and healers are both high pressure roles. You could have the top 2 dps on the server in your group. But if the tank or healer sucks its going to be wipe after wipe. Myself I prefer healing! Because its a lot less pressure then tanking!
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  7. #147
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    loreleidiangelo's Avatar
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    Lorelei Diangelo
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    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 74
    I always SMN my experts because most DF DPS are garbage and at least this way the tank and healer aren't put through a total wringer. I have pugged a grand total of like 2 experts since HW though, preferring to either run with static mates or cap Esos through PvP.

    Our static MT would only pug them (he liked the comms), but our static OT would pretty much only run them with raidmates to eliminate any hassle.
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  8. #148
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    Eye_Gore's Avatar
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    Yolanda Freebush
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    Malboro
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo View Post
    I always SMN my experts because most DF DPS are garbage and at least this way the tank and healer aren't put through a total wringer. I have pugged a grand total of like 2 experts since HW though
    So in your "like 2 expert" PUG runs since HW, was enough to determine most DF DPS are garbage? Alot has changed since then. Not that I had many issues pre-HW. All I do is run PUG DF and with the exception of one time, in HW expert roulette all DPS did their jobs, only time a wiped happened was with a new person to the run.
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  9. #149
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    Lorelei Diangelo
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    Leviathan
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    Dancer Lv 74
    Quote Originally Posted by Eye_Gore View Post
    So in your "like 2 expert" PUG runs since HW, was enough to determine most DF DPS are garbage? Alot has changed since then. Not that I had many issues pre-HW. All I do is run PUG DF and with the exception of one time, in HW expert roulette all DPS did their jobs, only time a wiped happened was with a new person to the run.
    I still do leveling roulette, where in the Vault they often push numbers of around 300...which was pretty bad pre-HW, let alone post-HW. But youre right, maybe 3 levels later they magically get good and I shouldn't base my experiences off of that.

    DPS performing poorly rarely spells a wipe, just makes things longer and more painful for the tank and healer involved. You can't really use your value of "expert roulette wipes" as a barometer of DF DPS performance either. :P

    To bring this back to the OP, why would a tank use Duty Finder if he or she knows that they can get a group that will clear the content less messily and more quickly from their FC or LSes in about the same time?
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    Last edited by loreleidiangelo; 09-12-2015 at 02:15 AM.

  10. #150
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    Eye_Gore's Avatar
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    Yolanda Freebush
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    Malboro
    Main Class
    Gladiator Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo View Post
    I still do leveling roulette, where in the Vault they often push numbers of around 300...which was pretty bad pre-HW, let alone post-HW. But youre right, maybe 3 levels later they magically get good and I shouldn't base my experiences off of that.
    That is low. Atleast at level 60 you work towards the better gear, which will help even to lowliest of DPS. I'm only ilvl 186, my shield lob alone will hit for over 450 and that is my weakest attack. I think now people are geared up fairly well, expert runs can be done with eyes closed, almost.
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