According to the survey, an equal number of people play the tank and healer roles

[Kyonika]

Respect works both ways which is something most of the Tanks in this thread seem to fail to grasp and doing something sub optimal is not being respectful towards the group either this goes for all ROLES.

And they have to learn somewhere, or sometime: we all do. Did it ever occur to you that they might be new? Or even new to tanking? Berating them, or making them feel stupid by offering unsolicited advice isn't helping them. You might think that it's a kindness, or a social duty, but it's actually a cruelty. When things are new to someone, they want to try different things out, to see what works and what doesn't. It's not your place to judge. ... So like, what divine God Animal died and made you his retainer to pass on "thy divine message for all the new and misguided tanks out there?" Who are you to tell/teach them without their prior request or consent? And, what drove you to take up the Holy Mantle of Poo-Bah Master Instructor of Tank-tastical Tanky-ness?

I tank myself and it's quite baffling the general mentality Tanks have

You tank too? Great, that's awesome! ...So do I, btw -- or at least I'd like to say that... But, I refuse to inflict my tanky n00bness on my fellow gamers (personal choice), until I get a lot more familiar with all the dungeons and fights. So, I stick to heals or DPS instead (since I'm good at it).

So, anyways, you can speak from your own experience. That's cool. But, that doesn't mean it's the same as everyone else's experience. Some people learn best by watching; some by reading; some by listening; and, some by doing. Some people need to fail before they can succeed; others get it the first try. Everyone's different, and enjoying this game differently. Telling them -- especially 指示厨 style -- will only serve to stifle their growth as players, and make them resent other players in the process. Unless, of course, they ask for advice first. Then, and only then, might it be welcome (if the rest of the group is okay with it tho) -- but done so politely, of course.

like Arabian Wolf for example, by purposely trolling the run and abusing the vote kick function because they can't admit perhaps they are doing something wrong which seems to be an everyday thing for them judging from past posts which says a lot about themselves.

I wouldn't call it "trolling the run and abusing the vote kick function." You, or those like you, started something by saying something that's perceived as rude. Soooo ... (Cont'd from the learning types etc. above) ... And then there are some people that learn the hard way. lel

I'm sorry but the people you think that like feeling Elite don't even touch DF because of folk like yourself and I can't blame em half the time.

Then that's their choice. It's theirs, and I'm not one to take away personal choice.

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You see, when I group up -- and this is also true with the JP community, and the small so-called "外人" community as well -- I/we will let the other players play as they want - even if they cause a wipe or two. Because, it's assumed that they know the fights, or at least will learn from their mistakes. Most will typically let mistakes go by with a "どま" (np) ..especially if there is a sincere "すみません" or "ごめんなさい" (I'm sorry) before hand. On harder fights or dungeons, there might be a "だれがここに初めてですか？" (Is anyone here for the first time?) Which is a hint to ask for help or tips if you are new. Again, the onus is on oneself to take responsibility, do your best, and put the group before yourself. Paying it forward -- on respect and all -- as it were. I know to many NA players, this is culturally the backwards and completely opposite to what most do. But, by putting the group ahead of yourself, usually leads to better preparation before hand, and smoother cleaner runs; since, everyone is expected (and working hard) to do their best.

[Bhuni]

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I personally never need to 'berate' as you put it anyone wanna know why? Because folk are fulfilling their roles if it's a common occurrence for you you're making the run more painful than it should be.

Being new doesn't excuse a level 60 Tank from keeping threat on all mobs nor a level 60 DPS doing damage they should of being doing at level 50 for example so it's a really lame wall to hide behind especially when majority of content in this game doesn't ask much of folk.

I'm not sure why you're making me out to be someone I'm not though, perhaps you should redirect your anger towards those folk who kicked you for raging and not listening to sound advice.

[Arabian_Wolf]

I personally never need to 'berate' as you put it anyone wanna know why? Because folk are fulfilling their roles if it's a common occurrence for you you're making the run more painful than it should be.

Being new doesn't excuse a level 60 Tank from keeping threat on all mobs nor a level 60 DPS doing damage they should of being doing at level 50 for example so it's a really lame wall to hide behind especially when majority of content in this game doesn't ask much of folk.

I'm not sure why you're making me out to be someone I'm not though, perhaps you should redirect your anger towards those folk who kicked you for raging and not listening to sound advice.

Being a summoner main you seem to not understand how tanking work especially if tank is undergeared and DPS is well-geared.

So keep your nonsense to yourself until you understand how tanking can get annoying for a fresh 60.

[Bhuni]

Being a summoner main you seem to not understand how tanking work especially if tank is undergeared and DPS is well-geared.

So keep your nonsense to yourself until you understand how tanking can get annoying for a fresh 60.

I have two level 60 Tanks and most probably are better than yourself as I've never had to kick someone over my playstyle thanks for that insightful reply though.

[NorthernLadMSP]

I have two level 60 Tanks and most probably are better than yourself as I've never had to kick someone over my playstyle

LOL, it sounds like he's probably a shitty tank and kicking anyone who comments about his lack of skill.

[Arabian_Wolf]

LOL, it sounds like he's probably a shitty tank and kicking anyone who comments about his lack of skill.

At least I can hold myself up in most contents given proper gears and time, which I do.

[Nadirah]

LOL, it sounds like he's probably a shitty tank and kicking anyone who comments about his lack of skill.

Or someone that just doesn't like shitty comments period.

I've vote kicked people shit talking a new healer.

You mad?

[NorthernLadMSP]

Or someone that just doesn't like shitty comments period.

I've vote kicked people shit talking a new healer.

You mad?

LOL oh absolutely furious. You've uncovered my secret.

[Arabian_Wolf]

I have two level 60 Tanks and most probably are better than yourself as I've never had to kick someone over my playstyle thanks for that insightful reply though.

Better as in being overgeared I believe.

[Bhuni]

Better as in being overgeared I believe.

You can overgear what ever and still suck at it so I'm not sure what your point is, I'm no longer going to reply to your nonsense you're pretty vile good day.