According to the survey, an equal number of people play the tank and healer roles

[KingOfAbyss]

*Sleep mode ON*

Want to make sure when going into any instance that there won't be any ragequitters, and over the long time after this would be implemented, no one would bash you for being a Tank/Healer/DPS (wishful thinking here)

Square Enix should make it so that when you enter an instance, you have no choice to leave it until it's completed.

Problem is with those that would quit the game and start anew. (Their loss of time)

Now of course, people would still want you to DPS when Tanking, to DPS when Healing, and to Heal/tank when DPSing (err wait.) and to perform at 110%, nothing less, else it's a kick (oops not anymore bud!)

So people would learn to appreciate teamwork, and hopefully would try to give hints as to how to perform better, in a proper language, and the receiver would listen and try their best to these new rotations and see if it works better.

In the end, would that make a better community?

Would more Tanks/Healer join the frays of the dreaded DF?

SE put 90 Mins on some instances. I'm pretty sure everyone could beat the encounters within that time. That said, if you don't have that much time on that day to play, skip it and go gathering/crafting instead.. (oh noes! but but my precious Esos..)

Only time could tell if this would work.. sigh..

Wishing for a wonderful community.. to link it with this wonderful game.. seems it's more than a Savage mode to me..

*waking up from my dream.. *

[Kyonika]

People like this tank is one of the many reasons I can't stand doing DF content on my Healer.

If some random DF person goes out their way to criticise your playstyle it's probably because you're doing something you shouldn't.

No. It's because you wanna feel elite by talking big, or don't like how someone else is playing their class/job. Understand: it's their game just as much as yours. So, show some respect, and pay it forward.

Unsolicited advice (regardless of intention or culture) is almost always unwelcome and considered extremely rude. So much so, that the Japanese have come up with an internet slang for this: 指示厨 (pronounced Shi-Ji-Chu). It's literal meaning is "talking/telling like a middle-schooler." So when you spout some nonsense like, "stop doing this," "do it like that," "you suck and here's why," or "stop liking what I don't like" ... that's being 指示厨: puerile, childish and annoying. And for whatever reason, it's mostly represented only in English-speaking MMO players. Social scientists are still on the lookout as to the root reason why, but their guess points towards WoW. lel

Case in point (short story time): Back before the server transfers, in the early months of ARR, I had started on my JP server in the Gaia group. There were many EN players on in there too. It was alright at first. Lot's of LS and FC recruiting going on (in both Japanese and English). Not too long after, however, there were quite a number of disbands or wipes in DF, which were the direct result of EN players talking trash (指示厨). The JP players kept mostly quiet: they, like I, group up to get things done, and try not to take things personally. But there was only so much they could take. I had actually quit the game for a few months after the majority of my first few DF runs fell apart 'cuz EN players just didn't know how shut up.

So, anyways, I missed the drama that followed. But basically, as I had read and heard, there was an outcry from the JP community petitioning SE to outright ban ENs from JP servers. The solution/compromise, as it was, was to offer free transfers so that the EN players could move to their own servers - but partly veiled in a 'play with your friends' campaign. Now-a-days, ENs on JP servers have mostly congregated in the Elemental group (i.e. Tonberry), and Gaia is mercifully free of 指示厨 -- at least it has been my experience. There are still some EN players on my server, but all of whom are polite, mature and nice people. So, all of my runs, over the last year, have been smooth and simple. As a rule for myself, before I queue, I need only look up Youtube or ニコニコ for playthoughs/mechanics, or I ask my FC or LS for advice. The onus is on me to know what I'm doing however, so that keeps my runs smooth. I usually queue up as SCH healer, 'cuz I don't know the fights well enough to tank.

...N.E.wayz....

Moral of the story: think before you say something. Doubly think before you say something stupid. And, if you don't have anything nice to say, then it's best to keep it to yourself.

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Grew a thick skin long ago so when someone unconstructively criticize my tanking I just put up with them till we reach near the last boss the I vote dismiss them.

Works like a charm.

Nice! The kind of players that like the sound of their own voice tend to not understand words. Maybe after a few vote kicks they'll start to get the message.

If someone makes fun of your tanking in fractal, just "forget" about the chimera spawning. I've fed so many mouthy black mages to that thing, I've lost count.

LOL... Very creative!

[Arabian_Wolf]

@Kyonika,

I hope so that it works.

[OPneedNerfs]

In a game where anyone can change roles at any given time depending on what suits their mood, I can't help but wonder what criteria they used to determine the data they got for role distribution.

Was it simply by people who leveled those jobs to 31-60? If so, the numbers will definitely be skewed towards DPS as there are more DPS job options compared to tanks/healers.

Also, if simply having a tank/healer at 31++ qualifies, the number of tank and healer players will also be artificially shot up.

[Elazu]

Okay mister cool snflake. None of that as anything to do with you being a tank, just an elitist. Just as many dps and healers are as antisocial I'm sure.

Yeah, but buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword!

On topic: It's easy for tanks to quickly get a party going and thus avoid the bads in df.

[Bhuni]

'Im bad but I pay a sub so everyone should just deal with it because I'm the Tank'

Respect works both ways which is something most of the Tanks in this thread seem to fail to grasp and doing something sub optimal is not being respectful towards the group either this goes for all ROLES.

I tank myself and it's quite baffling the general mentality Tanks have like
Arabian Wolf for example, by purposely trolling the run and abusing the vote kick function because they can't admit perhaps they are doing something wrong which seems to be an everyday thing for them judging from past posts which says a lot about themselves.

I'm sorry but the people you think that like feeling Elite don't even touch DF because of folk like yourself and I can't blame em half the time.

[lordstarfox]

Too much pressure/responsibility.

[Kalsam]

I'm sorry, but I feel that I have much more control of the fight as a healer. I can fix other players mistakes (Not talking about savage, but I'm sure most here arent aswell), I can cast shields on the newbie that I know will eat unnecessary damage, I can push DPS, I can keep the bad tank alive with good use of CDs most of the time. As a tank you will just feel impotent with a bad party, you will do DPS and move the mobs/boss where you please, after that you can just pray that your party is good enough.

Sorry to quote you out here, Eothas, but you're the one who said what tends to annoy me the most.
When a player is playing badly, and another covers for them, without telling them they're covering for them, it just breeds more bad play.

There are a LOT of tanks out there whom are 'bad' cause of a healer who kept them up through it all thinking that it won't do anything. But it does the worst thing anyone can do for them; Give them an overinflated sense of themselves.
And I know this because I'll run on my healing classes, running into one of these tanks. I'll kindly explain what they're doing wrong to take so much extra damage (A lot of the time, it's simply letting things attack their back where they CANNOT dodge, parry or block when applicable. Thus I'll say something like "Please try to keep everything in front. You sadly cannot dodge, parry or block from behind. So anything behind you is getting free full hits on you." See, kind!) and they'll round on me with "None of my other healers had a problem. You just suck. Heal better!"

No. No. That's not me sucking as a healer. That's you, as a tank, being shown by other healers that it's all right to play badly. =.=
Though, about 50-75% of the time, the tank's new, will take what I say and be like "Oh, didn't know. Thanks!" But there is still that 25-50% whom are just ignoring it, thinking they're actually good because of "nice" players who'll cover their bad play up for them...

And it's THAT group of tanks that make other players think tanks are bad. Someone gets enough of these 'pampered' tanks, and suddenly they're immediately judging every single tank.
A tank then gets that person... and I think everyone suddenly understands why the good tanks get so pissed off when they're judged the moment they enter an instance. >.<

[Eothas]

My english is not great, but I'll try to clarify.

No. No. That's not me sucking as a healer. That's you, as a tank, being shown by other healers that it's all right to play badly. =.=
Though, about 50-75% of the time, the tank's new, will take what I say and be like "Oh, didn't know. Thanks!" But there is still that 25-50% whom are just ignoring it, thinking they're actually good because of "nice" players who'll cover their bad play up for them...

I agree, I always tend to explain what people are doing wrong, but sometimes people is not going to accept advices, and is that 25-50% that I try my best to carry the group, so at least I don't have to stay there wipe after wipe while people refuse to learn and accept advices. What I'm saying is that if its needed, I feel like I can do more as a healer to carry the group than the tank can.


I only posted that because theres people saying that healer is easy to play, that you just need to "cure and AFK", but I think healers suffer MORE pressure than tanks, because while the tank is always visible, the HP bars are even more visible, and people tends to blame the healer always when said bar reachs 0.

[Almalexia]

Unsolicited advice (regardless of intention or culture) is almost always unwelcome and considered extremely rude. So much so, that the Japanese have come up with an internet slang for this: 指示厨 (pronounced Shi-Ji-Chu). It's literal meaning is "talking/telling like a middle-schooler." So when you spout some nonsense like, "stop doing this," "do it like that," "you suck and here's why," or "stop liking what I don't like" ... that's being 指示厨: puerile, childish and annoying. And for whatever reason, it's mostly represented only in English-speaking MMO players. Social scientists are still on the lookout as to the root reason why, but their guess points towards WoW. lel

Sounds like the JP analog for elitist.