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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaver_Bharash View Post
    That part is actually explained in the second story from the Tales of the Dragonsong War: The Dreamer and the Dream

    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...short_stories/

    They are good reads. Wish they did more of these
    Yeah I am hoping there is more to it than what we read there. I liked the story but I am hoping there was more than JUST "Help me suicide bomb an airship to atone for my sins".

    I'm sure that wanting to atone for what she felt was a wrongdoing was a part of that, though. She was definitely....very upset with herself when we left her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atamos View Post
    !!! HEAVENSWARD SPOILERS !!!

    You probably already know who I'm talking about, after hearing this song I thought about Haurchefant right away so I had to make this little tribute, I hope you'll like it !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqUSvdTn3_0
    `OOF` right in the feels ;~;

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    Maybe she body jumped into Hraesvelgr, he's been mysteriously absent since her death. It's not like he hasn't had an Elezen lady in his soul before. We still don't know how the two of them came back to peaceful terms, she was obviously discussing SOMETHING with him before he took her to Azys Lla.

    Any number of shenanigans can happen here, and are probably already written in.
    That part is actually explained in the second story from the Tales of the Dragonsong War: The Dreamer and the Dream

    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...short_stories/

    They are good reads. Wish they did more of these
    Yeah I am hoping there is more to it than what we read there. I liked the story but I am hoping there was more than JUST "Help me suicide bomb an airship to atone for my sins".

    I'm sure that wanting to atone for what she felt was a wrongdoing was a part of that, though. She was definitely....very upset with herself when we left her.
    I'm really hoping they delve more into her as well. she was a likable character and I really hated what they did to her. she may have been misguided but she had a good heart despite what she wanted many to believe.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayuhra View Post
    Tiny!Iceheart is pretty great...ever just sit and watch her poses?

    Anyway, I think some people doubtlessly miss both. You can like more than one thing.
    I regularly sit on my bench in the FC garden just staring at Mini Ysayle while talking to FC/LS members.. I can sit like that for hours on end
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    I'm not crying, you're crying! -sobs-
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amberyl View Post
    I don't really understand the Haurchefant worship... As a female character, he fanboy'ed me from the first moment he appeared on screen, the way an irritating underclassman or an unwanted admirer might at school. He was overly personable, despite my character never reciprocating or even visibly accepting his behaviour, and then, when he died in a moment of forced cutscene mortality, I'm suddenly supposed to worship the ground he walked on?

    Treading that line between MMO and RPG in an uncomfortable fashion.

    Elsewhere...

    You don't see this kind of worship for Ysayle...

    Why is that?
    Ysayle's tragedy was well done. The way her world falls apart after learning the truth was heartwrenching and her last ride after composing herself and rebuilding that broken persona on Hraesvelgr was epic. But she got the Moenbroeda treatment and only got 1 patch for her to really hit home. Haurchefant was there to see you rise to become the hero from the lvl 40s. He assisted you through 2.5 and he took you in when you had nowhere else to go but Ishgard and was sort of that "last friend in a world that hates you and your companions." He protected you until the end. Both deaths were tragic but Ysayle's was sort of dampened by the fact that you fought her as Shiva and that she was a "villain" at some point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rafaelhades View Post
    Ysayle's tragedy was well done. The way her world falls apart after learning the truth was heartwrenching and her last ride after composing herself and rebuilding that broken persona on Hraesvelgr was epic. But she got the Moenbroeda treatment and only got 1 patch for her to really hit home. Haurchefant was there to see you rise to become the hero from the lvl 40s. He assisted you through 2.5 and he took you in when you had nowhere else to go but Ishgard and was sort of that "last friend in a world that hates you and your companions." He protected you until the end. Both deaths were tragic but Ysayle's was sort of dampened by the fact that you fought her as Shiva and that she was a "villain" at some point.
    I don't think Ysayle being an antagonist at one point dampens the tragedy of her death. I think it adds to her depth as a character and I really enjoyed traveling with her and getting to know her in Heavensward. It was fun, for example, that the woman who'd turned into Shiva and kicked my arse once was kooing over how cute Moogles are.

    What made her death hit me less hard than Haurchefant's is probably that


    a) Haurchefant died first. The death train kept strong after that but before him we hadn't lost anyone yet. In fact we learned one character presumed dead was still alive (Nanamo)
    b) Like I said earlier Ysayle went down in a blaze of glory. It was a sad scene but also action-packed and epic. Haurchefant dies in front of our characters with us holding his hand and the animators managed to give him that expression of pure adoration that lights up his face when you smile for him. Then he's gone. The animation for faces in that scene was exceptional.


    Adding to the impact of Haurchefant's death is, as you said, that we met him at lvl 35 in 2.0 and he'd been around ever since.

    I think the reason he was killed off is simple, though. As a plot device he existed as our ticket into Ishgard so the expansion could happen. He had no purpose beyond this so once we were nestled in he was axed for drama. The writers have always seen him as a plot device but they gave him such a lovable and interesting personality that when the inevitable happened it huuuurt.
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    Funny how a game can make us care for characters so much. I was heartbroken when this happened and while he was one of my favorites and I'm sad to see him gone, this was awesome - even if it made me sniffle a little!
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    I'm just a bun boy, doing bun boy things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayuhra View Post
    a) Haurchefant died first. The death train kept strong after that but before him we hadn't lost anyone yet. In fact we learned one character presumed dead was still alive (Nanamo)
    sorry but he wasnt the first to die it was moenbryda i dont know about others but i liked her as much as i liked haurchefant as for ysayle i think i never really bonded with her as much as i did with moen or haurchefant

    btw the video is awesome thanks for it =3
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    Last edited by ElieDavion; 09-10-2015 at 06:17 AM. Reason: adding to my comment
    There is no coincidence only Fate

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElieDavion View Post
    sorry but he wasnt the first to die it was moenbryda i dont know about others but i liked her as much as i liked haurchefant as for ysayle i think i never really bonded with her as much as i did with moen or haurchefant
    I mean in Heavensward he's the first to die.

    Moen died in Realm. Up until Haurchefant's death in HW the expansion didn't seem ready to off anyone. The story beat that Nanamo survived further unprepared us.
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    Thank you everyone for the kind words, I'm glad you guys enjoyed it !
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