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  1. #691
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyfrost View Post

    1. According to the chart, if for example I were to use the rotation Aikaal stated while we're in Umbral Ice.

    Aikaal said that we're to pre-cast Sharpcast + Enochian, and then start with F1 > F4x2 > F3P >F4x2 >Blizz III.
    All my Umbral Ice rotations end with Fire 3 so you'll be fine.

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    2. From what I've read, we're to delay Leylines if it's 20 seconds to Raging Strikes uptime, is it because the faster DPS deliverance Leylines give is inferior to the 20 seconds delay compared to using both 20 seconds later?
    Raging Strikes can be use on the 30 seconds Enochian or 20 seconds one. Because Enochian will be up in the middle of your 20 seconds rotation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greyfrost View Post

    3. Also question about procs, since we're mainly rotating 2 procs here, TBolt and Fstarter.
    I personally delay procs as far as possible. I use them to have better positioning or when I have to deal mechanics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Greyfrost View Post

    Thanks for the great guide!
    Thanks for the support <3

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    Extra question :

    What interrupts your spell? I remember receiving some damage from casted skills i.e. Black Nebula(?) From the walking armor in The Vault, sometimes it interrupts my casting, sometime it doesn't.

    I'm guessing it got to do with the damage exceeding x% of your current HP/MHP? Or if the skill was critical or not.
    Certain abilities interrupt spells. 98% of mechanics you need to take won't interrupt you. The only ones I remember were Nael's Mega Flare in T9S and Twintania's Fireball in T5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    Raging Strikes can be use on the 30 seconds Enochian or 20 seconds one. Because Enochian will be up in the middle of your 20 seconds rotation.
    I believe you meant Leyline instead of Enochian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    I personally delay procs as far as possible. I use them to have better positioning or when I have to deal mechanics.
    Thank you for your input on this, I have been in trouble wondering whether to use them or not especially if multiple procs are happening, it just feels like a waste to not use them


    One more question, sorry if I'm asking too much, is there any tips/trick you can give so we won't interrupt our own spells because of mobs moving outside of 50-60 degrees from our sightline?
    I'm using that option where we will "Set our sight on the target" the moment we press a skill button, but on some, more move-y battle, the mobs will run around hitting either tank/healer and interrupting my cast, I can neutralize it by right-clicking and manually moving the camera so the mobs is in my sightline.

    Just wondering if there's an easier way.
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    @ Greyfrost hit "F" during the cast (f standard is to face target) or, if you play on ps, create a macro with "/facetarget" ... but this is my way...

    u can also set the control-settings, that when u move the camera, your char will look that way ... i know some ppl how're playing with this setting...but i can't play with that cause (for me) it seems to be harder to dodge aoes

    these are the options u have
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  4. #694
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    Quote Originally Posted by AkkoAihara View Post
    @ Greyfrost hit "F" during the cast (f standard is to face target) or, if you play on ps, create a macro with "/facetarget" ... but this is my way...
    Thanks Akko! Will have to set the "Face Target" to another key because I'm using "F" for my hotbar skill xD
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  5. #695
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyfrost View Post
    I believe you meant Leyline instead of Enochian.

    Thank you for your input on this, I have been in trouble wondering whether to use them or not especially if multiple procs are happening, it just feels like a waste to not use them


    One more question, sorry if I'm asking too much, is there any tips/trick you can give so we won't interrupt our own spells because of mobs moving outside of 50-60 degrees from our sightline?
    I'm using that option where we will "Set our sight on the target" the moment we press a skill button, but on some, more move-y battle, the mobs will run around hitting either tank/healer and interrupting my cast, I can neutralize it by right-clicking and manually moving the camera so the mobs is in my sightline.

    Just wondering if there's an easier way.
    I did meant Enochian there. But you do want to use Leylines with RS also.

    I draw a mental line on the screen of the mob movement. Then I move my character's point of view in the middle. You have easily an angle of 90 degrees where you can cast spells. I avoid being close of the mob usually but I take note when the WHm needs me to take Medica II and Medica spells. A tank may troll you and move the mob around on purpose to screw you around.

    Personally, my "F" button is Leylines lol
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    So, the conclusion I'm getting is to never use leyline as a single buff but instead delay it so it'll always be either Leyline + Eno, or Leyline + RS, or Ley + RS + Eno.

    Don't use/delay Leyline until one of the other two is up? Is this correct xD

    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    I draw a mental line on the screen of the mob movement. Then I move my character's point of view in the middle. You have easily an angle of 90 degrees where you can cast spells.
    Yeah, usually I do this, it helps, the sad part is not knowing whether the spell will be interrupted or not until the cast ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyfrost View Post
    So, the conclusion I'm getting is to never use leyline as a single buff but instead delay it so it'll always be either Leyline + Eno, or Leyline + RS, or Ley + RS + Eno.

    Don't use/delay Leyline until one of the other two is up? Is this correct xD



    Yeah, usually I do this, it helps, the sad part is not knowing whether the spell will be interrupted or not until the cast ends.
    I personally use the /facetarget macro as I'm a controller player. It's bound to my expanded hotbar. Works about 98% of the time. Only if the mob runs directly through you do I ever notice it still interrupting me. Just use an ability and while it's casting, just spam the hell outta facetarget and it works like a charm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyfrost View Post
    So, the conclusion I'm getting is to never use leyline as a single buff but instead delay it so it'll always be either Leyline + Eno, or Leyline + RS, or Ley + RS + Eno.

    Don't use/delay Leyline until one of the other two is up? Is this correct xD
    The reason you can use RS during 20 second Enochian is that you can just refresh it to the maximum duration with the skill itself mid rotation. Enochian should always be up and use Ley on cooldown, unless there is a phase change or the likes about to happen or the timings between Ley and RS don't line up because of delays and whatnot. The knowledge to use or not to use certain things comes with practice and learning the different fights and their timings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyfrost View Post
    So, the conclusion I'm getting is to never use leyline as a single buff but instead delay it so it'll always be either Leyline + Eno, or Leyline + RS, or Ley + RS + Eno.

    Don't use/delay Leyline until one of the other two is up? Is this correct xD



    Yeah, usually I do this, it helps, the sad part is not knowing whether the spell will be interrupted or not until the cast ends.

    Leylines is 90 seconds cooldown. Raging strikes is 180 seconds, you should be using it twice as much as Raging Strikes
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    Ok.. I'm sooooo sorry, but google has not been my friend. Can anyone discreetly and courteously let me know the caster acc caps for savage? I believe it's AS1 - 495, AS2 - 520, AS3 - 530 and AS4 -540 (but could be wrong). And 71 pages is just too much to sift thru on the company dime. Just looking to mix and match eso/sav gear optimally and have some eso purchase decisions to make.
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