Emotes in the cash shop..

[Trixxy]

Past event items / emoticons being added to the cash shop feels like a nice "legacy" reward for those who've been around for longer.

At least there won't be anyone whining about how event "exclusive" items are unoptainable anymore.
You'll just have to cash in if you weren't around back then.

[sirDarts]

Only "worthless" to certain people. Many MMO players are motivated to participate in gameplay in large part by how they can get their character to look, or what items they can collect. I really wish people would stop treating cosmetic items as something no one cares about, or unnecessary. I will only take that perspective seriously if the person is willing to play the game with their character replaced by a plain, gray rectangle, fighting against other grey rectangles in a featureless room.

There are more than enough possibilities for customizing your character in the game completely free, or for a small amount of gil.
If you want a VERY SPECIFIC item, that really isn't anything more than eye candy, pay. Easy as that.
You don't like this system? Don't pay. If people don't like it, and don't buy it, then it's a bad system and needs to be removed. But apparently enough people are willing to pay for it, and it doesn't hurt anyone. So why shouldn't SE get more money? You do understand that it's GOOD for us when SE has more money, right?

[o3o]

I find this whole thread silly. The cash shop is fine. Seriously people will find anything to complain about.

The day SE puts something in the cash shop that gives players an edge in game (example would be glamours that also give Stat boosts or mounts that move faster then other mounts) then I can see that as something I would want to avoid.

But if it's just fantasia and the stuff from events from last year then I don't see it as a problem especially SINCE YOU SAVE A YEARS WORTH OF SUBSCRIPTION COST WHICH IS LIKE $120+. More if your doing it at $14.99 a month.

[Naunet]

So why shouldn't SE get more money? You do understand that it's GOOD for us when SE has more money, right?

I do pay. Every month. Your second sentence is completely contradictory. "Oh you can get stuff, but if you want THIS you have to pay extra." That's not a defense. That's just stating the current situation, and there is no consumer-oriented reason for it to be that way.

I do not worship at the throne of corporate overlords. Yes, their goal is to make more money. No, that does not mean we have to excuse them for everything because "that's their purpose". Consumers need to take back their role in this process. You do NOT have to passively accept additional charges. Companies do not have carte blanche to charge for whatever they feel like.

[Moonleg]

SINCE YOU SAVE A YEARS WORTH OF SUBSCRIPTION COST WHICH IS LIKE $120+. More if your doing it at $14.99 a month.

I didn't realize that buying the stuff on the shop meant I wouldn't have to pay subscription AS WELL for the months in which the event they originally appeared in would take place.

As an example the bomb dance; would buying it on the cash shop mean not paying subscription for July 2015? No?

Then why are you so eager to let SE put all the old stuff on the cash shop instead of having it ALSO in THIS year's event?

What if next expansion they say, "Well, Alexander and Syrcus Tower is really just old stuff now. If you want access to it, they're on the Cash Shop for 10 dollars!" I know, it's a bit of a stretch that they would do this, but it's the same logic: If it's old it's okay to charge extra.

[sirDarts]

I do pay. Every month. Your second sentence is completely contradictory. "Oh you can get stuff, but if you want THIS you have to pay extra." That's not a defense. That's just stating the current situation, and there is no consumer-oriented reason for it to be that way.

I do not worship at the throne of corporate overlords. Yes, their goal is to make more money. No, that does not mean we have to excuse them for everything because "that's their purpose". Consumers need to take back their role in this process. You do NOT have to passively accept additional charges. Companies do not have carte blanche to charge for whatever they feel like.

It's not contradictory. If you want a VERY specific piece of content, you pay. If you don't want to pay, you use the free stuff (which is in the VAST majority).

Also you clearly didn't understand my statement: It is GOOD for US when SE has more money. The more money they have the more they can invest into the game.

[Jynx]

It's not contradictory. If you want a VERY specific piece of content, you pay. If you don't want to pay, you use the free stuff (which is in the VAST majority).

Also you clearly didn't understand my statement: It is GOOD for US when SE has more money. The more money they have the more they can invest into the game.

There is no quantifiable evidence to show where SE actually sends the profits for the cash shop, for all you know execs are buyin new yatchs with the proceeds. giving SE more money for the game has no consumer centric reason to do so.

You clearly don't understand what people are saying to you: It's not "Good" to pay above your subscription with microtransactions, there is zero consumer friendly reason they exist.

[HakuroDK]

Point to me how the bomb dance affects gameplay numbers. Does it increase spell speed? Strength? Control? Perception? Perhaps it generates gil?

Ever since the cash shop's inception, not a single thing has been added to it that affects gameplay statistics. You can whine and moan all you like about how "unfair" it is or how it affects RP or glamour gameplay somehow. But the fact of the matter is this.

Yoshi-P said clear as crystal that nothing on the cash shop would affect gameplay. And it hasn't. And because an emote was added, you're bringing the torches and pitchforks out as if you were suddenly betrayed.

You're fearmongering and hatemongering about something minimalistic. The bomb dance doesn't affect gameplay. It doesn't. I don't care how many straws you want to grasp at to say that it affects your personal gameplay, it doesn't affect gameplay in general. So don't even.

If you are this pissed off about an aesthetic thing being added to the aesthetics-only cash shop, then leave and go to another MMO. Because it's not changing, only the vocal minority of players actually WANT it to change with the majority being apathetic or against the idea of it changing, and to be quite honest, it's your attitude that makes this community so toxic that players not a part of the forums don't want to come here.

So seriously. Straighten the hell up. I'm sick of fire and brimstone threads like this popping up.

[Moonleg]

The more money they have the more they can invest into the game.

Put in a bit of emphasis there.

Look, I was there to see this whole thing play out with WoW's cash shop.

First it was one mount. Then a couple of companions (minion equivalents for us). And people kept using these exact same reasons I'm seeing in this thread.

At the end of the last expansion there was an option to pay to instantly hit max level on a character, and it was okay because "it's the end of the expansion, everyone is max level anyway!" That went on for a year.

In the current expansion, all unique mount models are bought in the cash shop, all models available in the game itself are reskins of existing mounts or enemies.

This IS the path you are allowing THIS game to take by not standing up early and saying that either you pay a subscription OR micro-transactions, NEVER both.

[Moqi]

The more money they have the more they can invest into the game.

Do people really think this is how it works? Oh dear.