To all the flames on primal datacenter...

[Farrell]

Great way to kill pvp for people that want to try it out. 24 vs 48 all game every game because they are wearing the wrong gang colors. I literally haven't seen a game all week where flames ever do anything but what you are describing with the spawns. Amazing way to troll people, turning a grind to 50 into something that will take over a year.

[Februs]

Great way to kill pvp for people that want to try it out. 24 vs 48 all game every game because they are wearing the wrong gang colors. I literally haven't seen a game all week where flames ever do anything but what you are describing with the spawns. Amazing way to troll people, turning a grind to 50 into something that will take over a year.

You'd have to barely ever PvP for it to take that long. Challenge log by itself should get you at least a level a week, maybe a little less after you reach level 40.

That being said, I get what you mean. I think a BIG part of the problem is the way the ques slot people together. The other night, I had to stop PvP'ing because I was being consistently slotted onto the exact same team every round. 90% of them were noobs, and not a single one of them were listening to the few people who actually knew what they were doing. So, instead of fighting the match, they took to chasing whichever team they got into it with first, and stayed fighting them the entire round. It was awful. After my 3rd match straight of being in 3rd place and getting the exact same names in the alliance every single time I flipped table and did some leveling on another class.

DF seems to lock people together. The same people finish the match at the same time, re-que, and get stuck with each other again, probably fighting the same enemies again. So, if you get into a match with the supertards, you're suddenly stuck with them for the next 2 or 3 matches, and are basically repeating the same match over and over.

The reason this I bring this up, is because it's a bigger problem for the Flames. I'd wager that our noob/indifferent/casual player base outnumbers our experienced player base 10-1 (hence why our ques are so damn fast most of the time). The odds of you getting stuck fighting against/or with (which is worse, trust me) the supertards are much higher than with the other two GC's, because the DF bundles them together and they get stuck together for a string of matches until some of them finally get tired of it and just quit for the night.

[RiceisNice]

DF seems to lock people together. The same people finish the match at the same time, re-que, and get stuck with each other again, probably fighting the same enemies again. So, if you get into a match with the supertards, you're suddenly stuck with them for the next 2 or 3 matches, and are basically repeating the same match over and over.

And to make things worse, when you try to queue as a party, it just exasperates the queue times even more

[Farrell]

@Februs I keep hearing about how casual the Flames base is, but I see them winning pretty often. I have over fifteen games played this week already and not a single win to show for it. I think there has been a lot of shifting around of the each gc really is, even if the preconceived notions remain. I get what you are saying about being stuck with the same people though, I see the sames names all the time.

[Februs]

@Februs I keep hearing about how casual the Flames base is, but I see them winning pretty often. I have over fifteen games played this week already and not a single win to show for it. I think there has been a lot of shifting around of the each gc really is, even if the preconceived notions remain. I get what you are saying about being stuck with the same people though, I see the sames names all the time.

Oh, I never said that they have a poor winning record, but that doesn't mean we don't have an extremely casual player base. I end most of my weeks with a fairly even split of 1st/2nd/3rd place. I usually average anywhere between 30% to 40% 1st, but that's because of the efforts of the few vets that are mixed in with the crowd.

As it is now, we are approximately 85% noobs/casual/or plain indifferent players. They either don't know what they're doing or just blatantly don't care. Within that 85% (probably as low as 1-5% of them) there are pessimists that (for whatever reason) actively try to get the team to admit defeat and give up the exact second something bad or unfavourable happens. We're talking about 80% of our player base who are prone to not watch the chat box and chase without any thought or strategy (which is why people see Flames do seemingly bizarre and blatantly stupid things, like power focus one GC with a vengeance, for example).

The last ~20% are seasoned vets who can really work the maps. These are the few players who save my bacon most of the time, and probably make life hell for their opponents. It just takes a nearly ceaseless set of reminders in the chat box to keep the rest of the causal players focused. If no one is trying to keep them on point, it's utter anarchy. Without at least one person in spamming macros or offering good leadership, the noobs take over and everyone splits up. It becomes every man for themselves. We're sooner to compete against each other than we are against our real opponents.