"Base/Simple" stigma of Paladin and how we must deal with it/prepare for the future.

[SpookyGhost]

That being said, I find it very hard to maximise my dps (sword oath) while still holding aggro against a warrior in deliverance.

I think you're playing with really bad WARs, because:

1. The opening rotation requires 2-4 SEs, before BB even comes into play
2. In Savage X, Y, and Z they should be using SE -> SP beyond their opener, which has 0 enmity multipliers attached

If you'd like to min/max DPS, have the WAR open and swap after FoF runs out. From then on the WAR should be doing nothing but SE -> SP so you'll have 0 aggro issues and you'll also have the incredibly comfy aggro lead the WAR has built up for you. If you have a NIN, you could also have him Shade you and Smoke Screen the WAR if you don't want to have the WAR open. PLD certainly has enmity issues compared to DRK/WAR, but they're not as crippling as people make them out to be, you just have to work around them.

Please compare the mitigation effects of divine veil versus delirium against Splash x6 into Cascade, (or hell even just cascade since divine veil CAN ONLY BE UP FOR EVERY OTHER ONE).

Monk's DK + Divine Veil > Delirium in terms of mitigating the raid damage of Cascade, even with DV's long recast time. The only caveat is you must bring a MNK, which isn't really much of a detriment anymore, especially if you're already bringing a PLD.

[Sekundessounet]

Being "nice" to healers by stacking VIT isn't being a good tank. Good healers don't care. Being capable of holding aggro, use CDs well and kill things faster is being a good tank. Period.

[Shining_Tiger_Excalibur]

Being "nice" to healers by stacking VIT isn't being a good tank. Good healers don't care. Being capable of holding aggro, use CDs well and kill things faster is being a good tank. Period.

I don't know if this is directed toward me or the picture posts from Seshayn, but if it's pointed in my direction I do understand the need for min/maxing and wearing BiS equipment. I was only saying that I'm not gonna' be like most people and switch to another job because of meta. If anything, I need to stay as a Paladin and SHOW Square how much I lack through repeated, heartbreaking and stressful wipes in Savage. They have all the data they'll ever need if I maintain my job choice, they won't if I don't and will just assume "working as intended."

Some people have to crash their car to learn that texting and driving is bad, sorta' the same concept here with Job design and direction.

[Sekundessounet]

Wasn't toward you bro XD

[Seshayn]

Being "nice" to healers by stacking VIT isn't being a good tank. Good healers don't care. Being capable of holding aggro, use CDs well and kill things faster is being a good tank. Period.

And if it's pointed in mine, I laugh at any dps that thinks they can pull from me in vit gear. Because it shows you don't know what you're talking about. ^,..,^

Also I don't get why some of you are under some ridiculous misconception that tanks stack vit because they are bad at cooldown management. That's like saying a Dragoon stacks Strength so they can be lazier when they dps. One of the main reasons I have found to advocate vit is lots of dps stand in dumb shit and require more healer attention than normal. I wear vit to compensate for YOUR stupidity, not my own. And it isn't being "nice" to healers, it's called being respectful. If a healer says to me "Hey, wear your str gear please" I will. However, it is not my god given douchey right to put on str gear, throw on sword oath and some shades and say "deal with it, I don't care whether you like it or not. #gitgud etc etc" Entitled millennial twit.

BE GONE WITH YOU!

[Brannigan]

Monk's DK + Divine Veil > Delirium in terms of mitigating the raid damage of Cascade

You can get Reprisal up for nearly every Cascade as well (at least as many as you could divine veil, in my experience), and that doesn't require an outside class. I wouldn't say that DRK's raid utility is particularly strong, though.

Paladin, however, at least seems to be designed to be viewed as having this awesome utility, but it doesn't. Paladin does have a lot of utility abilities, but they're all kinda weak. The reasons why they're weak can basically be broken down into: cooldown too long, too niche, general unwieldiness, or some combination of the above. The worst thing about Divine Veil, though, is that they made this exact same mistake when they first released the ability in 1.x. The cooldown's way too long for the effect you get.

[Sekundessounet]

You don't understand the thing.

Saying "I wear VIT gear to make up for the DPS's error" is just an excuse. You don't have too, it isn't your role. Your role is to be efficient, and being efficient in FFXIV as a tank is doing your best DPS while waving your CDs and keeping aggro. When you stack VIT gear, your slowing your group down, that's all. And if you want to work this way, if a healer feel the need of more HP for it's tank, then he ask for VIT gear, but not the contrary.

Slowing down other people for the sake of "not doing like the mass" isn't being respectful, it's selfish.

And please stop the "BE GONE' drama, you look ridiculous.

[Ashkendor]

itt: paladins mad that they now have to compete instead of be the inarguable "best mt" 24/7

It has nothing to do with that and everything to do with the fact that Paladin is an active detriment to a raid team in A3S and A4S right now. Most of us don't care if we have a guaranteed slot in a raid. There's more than enough raid statics out there recruiting for tanks. Right now, Paladin isn't even competitive with the other two though.

shifting metas are great because they reveal who's actually pushing their job and who was using it as a ticket to coast

Playing a roulette of which tank gets completely excluded from the current content is a really shitty meta. Warriors were shit in 2.0, they complained, they got buffed to be a viable choice. Being a viable choice is all we want. I myself already have a raid static, but I feel as if I'll be holding them back in A3S so it's still a concern.

[Seshayn]

Let's play a game where you answer a series of yes or no questions and see what conclusions we can draw from this.

1: Can you roll need on STR accessories as a Tank?
2: Did you develop the game?
3: Has Yoshi stated at any time when speaking on the topic of tanking what his thoughts are regarding strength accessories?
4: When tanking, have you ever survived dropping below 800 hp during an encounter that was successfully recovered?
5: While some of the best guilds in the world use STR tanks for progression, do you really think that even a fraction of those who mimic them are close to their level of skill?

Answer key is:

1: No.
2: No.
3: (I honestly don't know, but I would go all in on No if I were a betting man.)
4: Yes.
5: No. (I am damn good at what I do. I am however human, and prone to the occasional albeit rare mistake. All STR tanks I have seen have been laughable pathetic mouthbreathing idiots at best. You should #gitabetterPRdepartment)

Secret Hidden Meanings:

1: While it doesn't say it directly with class restrictions, Fending gear is the primary accessory and Slaying is a luxury you can choose. Reversing that order to suit your own arguments and opinions makes you a twat. This means that the game was designed so tanks would acquire slaying accessories AFTER the dps, which signifies a high chance that all relevant content was intended to be done in VIT gear.
2: As a combo with the above, Fending gear is what tanks were intended to wear. This can be drawn as a conclusion logically from the simple fact that there isn't a class in the game that can roll need on gear outside its intended role otherwise, so to think this is an oversight or an exception shows a remarkable level of arrogance on the part of those who would suggest it. the tl;dr of this is "You not as good at game develop as you think. Smart brain not you."
3: Like I said, I don't really know. However I think that if Yoshi had addressed this issue it would be thrown around a lot more with big HEY LOOK AT THIS signs. I really just needed 5 questions.
4: This showcases what a single piece of vit gear can do and the difference it can make.
5: There is a very high chance you are not nearly as good as you think you are. Like, "I can see my house from here!" kinda high.

Now, without further adieu
BE GONE WITH YOU!! (second exclamation mark added for double drama bonus points!!!)

[SpookyGhost]

You can get Reprisal up for nearly every Cascade as well (at least as many as you could divine veil, in my experience), and that doesn't require an outside class. I wouldn't say that DRK's raid utility is particularly strong, though.

Ah, forgot about Reprisal. Then: Monk's DK + Divine Veil = Delirium + Reprisal, but...

The worst thing about Divine Veil, though, is that they made this exact same mistake when they first released the ability in 1.x. The cooldown's way too long for the effect you get.

... this is the big problem with that. Unless everyone has absurd amounts of HP, DV shouldn't be on a 150s recast time. This is one of the things I'd definitely be for changing about PLD.