This is literally the worst PVP I've ever seen in an MMO...

[WellFooled]

I just want to post to throw in my support for PvP in FFXIV. I spend most of my time now in-game in Seal Rock and I thoroughly enjoy it. PvP as a whole does need work (but so does PvE and everything else really, an MMO is a constantly improving machine), but for the most part I find it well done. Seal Rock in particular is the most tactical PvP scenario I think I've ever seen. Sure the RNG can sometimes ruin you, but with three large teams pitted against each other it feels more like a war; Party composition and RNG aren't half as important as the strategy that your grand company chooses to use during the match and that is what I think large scale PvP should be.

When to attack, when to ignore a node and let the other teams fight for it, when to gang up on a team, when to brace yourself because you know you're about to be ganged up on, when to run the long way and perform a sneak attack...these are always different in every match and that is amazing fun. Its something that PvE cannot offer.

[DragonHunterG]

I do like the PvP, but the queue times need to be fixed. Admittedly it's not 100% balanced. for me, it's very hard to select a target in a massive crowd without an enemy list (using a controller) and i somehow always target pets which is annoying. obviously it's an afterthought for them but i really think they have something to build on here. leveling up is arduous because the queue times are terrible. More maps, more modes please. oh and did i mention fix the damn queue times?

[Xeonerable_Mizu]

I actually like DCUO's take on pvp they had regular and they had legends which imo could be more balanced I think it was the best pvp for me.

[Colorful]

Speak for yourself. On Cerb we have a Flames linkshell, and never queue for more than two or three minutes. We also win pretty consistently, because we go in with at least one strong, balanced party.

There's a tonne you can get out of PvP if you choose to put the effort in. Your loss for not doing so.

Yeah, I still don't understand how it could be any faster. Queue for PvP on Tonberry (Adders) anytime that isn't 8PM+ AEST (ending at 3ish am) 15 minutes long, add another 15 for the match and that's 30 minutes for 40 tomes. I can get queue for a dungeon and get it done in about 35-38 minutes, including my the queue, and make 75 tomes, that's almost double the frontline roulette. Now without roulette for both? Dungeons are now exactly double (they reward 40 iirc and PvP 20). There's no way PvP is more efficient, unless you're reaching 800 well before the timer is up, and from the matches I've played this week, rarely happens.

Also you're telling someone to speak for themselves, but suggested in a way that PvP was a faster solution regardless of long queues which happen quite frequently and is a known problem with PvP. It seems like you're the exception to that rule. Now you may not have meant that at all, and if so I agree with you. It's an nice escape from dungeons, but it's in no way faster.

[Laerune]

I love PvP, but with FFXIV its a mess. I advice Square Enix to take a look at other mmorpgs like ESO and GW2, their PvP is fun and there is no LONG QUEUE THAT CAN TAKE 2+ HOURS!!!!!

[Amberyl]

It's an nice escape from dungeons, but it's in no way faster.

For PvE, I insta-queue pretty much all day as a tank on Cerb. PvP is still faster, because matches turn over at more than twice the rate as the PvE. Join as a group of eight, and bing. It's really that simple. And your maths are based on roulettes, not the rewards for the rest of the day. 40/20, 80/50. And you can reliably turn that 20/50 over three-four times an hour, if you've got a big enough linkshell/FC to source from.

Put it this way, I came to 3.0 late, so farming Reap/Fractal was a thing long before I needed it. Even then, I fully geared Law in two days play, in Seize. No wipes, no stress, no under-geared DPS or laggy healers. Just plain fun. When it comes to tomes, it's not an escape from dungeons, it's a viable alternative. I only ever queue Expert now for the glamours.

[Colorful]

snip

So you're comparing queuing with people who know how to play, as opposed to DF? If you manage to find yourself a decent group of 3 others (not very hard to do either), well there go your queues, and your potential issues with undergeared or poor performing players. A dungeon run will take 20-25 minutes at most, let's add a little more time because lag I guess? Say you only manage to do 3 runs in an hour and 30 minutes, that's 120 tomes (at a long 30 minutes per dungeon). We'll go with your 3 PvP runs an hour, that's 60 tomes? Add another 20 minutes and you up to 80 for an hour and 20 minutes of work, extend that to an hour and 40, an you're still only at 100 tomes.

Still less than dungeons. No need to get stuck on the terms I used either, an escape can be an alternative, otherwise it wouldn't exactly be an escape if it wasn't viable now.

[Crizhalid]

Still better than GW2 WvW, this is coming from someone who was in T3 - T1.

Summoners get eaten up by good groups and I see more WAR on sprees than anything else. Besides, it's just for fun. There is no MMR tied to it so I could care less if I won or loss.

[Gilraen]

PvP in the Final Fantasy MMOs has always been an afterthought, the absolute worst way you can do PvP in a game of this type. If they were genuinely serious about the PvP it would have been a core feature of the game instead of something patched in down the line (Wolves' Den, while present in the game, was an unused space until PvP was implemented in patch... 2.15?). There'd have also been little need to balance the classes so much in regards to PvP, something that's happened several times now and that was before rogue was added. Unfortunately, the PvP is very niche and will likely stay that way for the life of the game much like it is in XI.

[Synestra]

*cough* Fastest way of gearing Law and hitting your Esoteric cap each week *cough*

Not to mention that most ilvl180 pvp gears beats the shit out of law gears due better stats, still using tank chest from pvp and planning to do so untill that new 24man comes in hopes that it gives better chest than alex nm/eso.