Cleric Stance - Penalty

[Highwilds]

The "lag" happened to me plenty of times, but that's because I was impatient and thinking "Why isn't anything happening" as I clicked it right before casting animation finished, which of course resulted me clicking it again, only to get Cleric's Stance bounce off and back on immediately. After I learned it queues itself and turns off or on after spell animation finishes I've been completely fine with it. No accidental switching unless I've been tired and forgot to switch it in the first place.

It's same as I can click Shroud of Saints when it's still greyed out while casting goes, and my character still does it after previous animation finishes and I'm already casting my next spell.

So what I'm saying; Cleric's Stance is fine as it is. Learn to queue it!

[Jeppo]

If you accidentally turned cleric stance on, remember that whilst spells has a reduced healing magic potency, your off-global-cooldown abilities (such as Benediction, Lustrate and Essential Dignity) do not suffer any such penalty. Stoneskin doesn't either, since it's percentage based.

When I'm healing, I have a healer hotbar and a dps hotbar, but I also have my oGCD healing abilities on both hotbars just in case I have to make an emergency heal with CS still ticking over. It has saved countless tanks.

[Cynfael]

If you accidentally turned cleric stance on, remember that whilst spells has a reduced healing magic potency, your off-global-cooldown abilities (such as Benediction, Lustrate and Essential Dignity) do not suffer any such penalty. Stoneskin doesn't either, since it's percentage based.

When I'm healing, I have a healer hotbar and a dps hotbar, but I also have my oGCD healing abilities on both hotbars just in case I have to make an emergency heal with CS still ticking over. It has saved countless tanks.

Benediction is the only healing spell unaffected by Cleric Stance. The MND/INT swap portion still destroys the effectiveness of healing "abilities" that are potency-based.

[Pooky_Pasha]

If you accidentally turned cleric stance on, remember that whilst spells has a reduced healing magic potency, your off-global-cooldown abilities (such as Benediction, Lustrate and Essential Dignity) do not suffer any such penalty. Stoneskin doesn't either, since it's percentage based.

When I'm healing, I have a healer hotbar and a dps hotbar, but I also have my oGCD healing abilities on both hotbars just in case I have to make an emergency heal with CS still ticking over. It has saved countless tanks.

This is wrong, except for Benediction. To test it, hop on SCH < Lustrate self < Cleric Stance < Lustrate self again. For me, it's about 1/3 effective in Cleric Stance. You are probably thinking of 2.X Lustrate, which was based off of hit points, not an actual healing potency. Heavensward changed that.

[Daws]

Lord I hate Cleric Stance. At first I thought it was a cool ability but now it just feels like an annoyance. Back and forth, back and forth, on/off, on/off = /wrists.

Didn't know that about Essential Dignity not feeling the healing nerf, tho. Nice I guess...meh.

I'm secretly wishing that the devs take it away, make it a cd/limited duration, or whm exclusive. Sorry y'all that loves it, but not sorry

[Cynfael]

Lord I hate Cleric Stance. At first I thought it was a cool ability but now it just feels like an annoyance. Back and forth, back and forth, on/off, on/off = /wrists.

Didn't know that about Essential Dignity not feeling the healing nerf, tho. Nice I guess...meh.

I'm secretly wishing that the devs take it away, make it a cd/limited duration, or whm exclusive. Sorry y'all that loves it, but not sorry

You're certainly entitled to that opinion, but consider the /wrist of trying to fill downtime with DPS minus CS...so ineffective that you might as well be Facebook healing.

[Omnia]

They could also just make healers' offensive spells scale off MND. Only potential issue would be Assize...

I agree Risvertasashi. Cleric Stance should be tweeked as a 'passive trait' making all healer offensive spells, scale off of MND. Now the Assize thing, is a whole other animal, lol

[Cynfael]

I agree Risvertasashi. Cleric Stance should be tweeked as a 'passive trait' making all healer offensive spells, scale off of MND. Now the Assize thing, is a whole other animal, lol

I'd rather keep CS tbh. Not only does it maintain an element of skill, it provides a 10% boost to attack magic on top of the stat swap.

[Anova]

I wonder if the devs did any tests with the cooldown timer on Cleric Stance. It was not a feature originally in 1.0 and was added later by Yoshi-P prior to the 2.0 relaunch, who would have had some data behind him to support it.

As a main healer, I think it would be very convenient to be able to weave damage spells between healing spells too. However, the cooldown on cleric stance forces you to really think about certain phases for the boss/mob and what defense cooldowns the tank is using to reduce damage or recover hp. If you removed it, it would quickly become a situation similar to SCH in 2.x: where healers could use lustrate as a percent-heal while in cleric stance (except now it's every heal). It's great for dps, but I'm not sure it's a dynamic that fits the new intended gameplay and meta for healers at raid (where there are specific phases of dps and mp recovery).

Also, Cleric stance queues actually don't work that well since macro skills automatically overwrites any existing queues. So if you switch to cleric and immediately start healing with a macro (such as a cure mouseover), it may not remove cleric stance because you've actually overridden the first command. This prioritization for macros is the actual problem with cleric stance on healers now.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I'd rather keep CS tbh. Not only does it maintain an element of skill, it provides a 10% boost to attack magic on top of the stat swap.

That isn't really skill. Just much paying attention. It also sucks when I skillfully know I clicked it off, and it stays on.